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| Quote ="P-J"But we don't.
It's galling enough that a televised game is officiated to a different set of rules to a non-televised game. The video ref piping in and telling the on-field ref to send someone off is ridiculous. If the on-field ref hasn't seen it in real time then it's up to the panel to rule on it during the week.'"
The rules are not different they are the same, it's just about the odds of them being applied and enforced correctly.
It's a bit like saying if you get caught speeding by the police you should not be punished because they are not monitoring your speed on every road.
I think it' is ridiculous to say that in a match we know that a dangerous incident has occurred but we will sit on our hands and do nothing because we are a bit of a luddite sport.
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| They need a good sit down the refs to work out exactly how these decisions are being implemented. Everything was a red at the start of the season, so they get bagged but then rather than just being sensible and going back to how games have been reffed over the last decade, they then get to the point where nothing is a red, even challenges like the Napa and McIlorum ones, which would be a red this season, last season or ten seasons ago. They then get more stick and a fuss blows up when Singleton gets sent off for a challenge that is nowhere near as bad as those 2 last week but had it not been for the 2 Catalans challenges we all just sit there and go ‘well I can see why it’s given’.
It’s a mess of the games own making and it needs sorting.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"They need a good sit down the refs to work out exactly how these decisions are being implemented. Everything was a red at the start of the season, so they get bagged but then rather than just being sensible and going back to how games have been reffed over the last decade, they then get to the point where nothing is a red, even challenges like the Napa and McIlorum ones, which would be a red this season, last season or ten seasons ago. They then get more stick and a fuss blows up when Singleton gets sent off for a challenge that is nowhere near as bad as those 2 last week but had it not been for the 2 Catalans challenges we all just sit there and go ‘well I can see why it’s given’.
It’s a mess of the games own making and it needs sorting.[/quot
Would it be a lot better when they used to put them on report like they used to do and leave 13 against 13.
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| I've only seen the sky highlights last night as were up there for the weekend. At the game I was on the 20 metre line, it looked to me that Field made the tackle and that turned Sironen so that Singleton came from behind him and Sironen fell. What I noticed on the highlights was that no Saints player even looked to the referee for the penalty, indeed Lussick? was encouraging Sironen to get up to play the ball.
Let's see what comes out of the disciplinary today, but a sending off looked very harsh. I think the refereeing inconsistency in games this season has been baffling tbh.
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| Quote ="Ashton Bears"
The arguement there is that the "offended against" team doesn't get the benefit. That said there is too much inconsistency in how offences are being dealt with. I'm not for a minute suggesting it was a sending off but Roby on Farrell was direct contact to the head with no malice; penalty. Singleton's was direct contact to the head with no malice; red card. Is that too big a leap? Difficult to say but, in context of the match and the spirit it was played in, I'd have said yellow was enough.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"
Singo was the shoulder which (as I understand it anyway) is the big difference.
Both were penalties which the referee didn't actually give at the time.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"
Probably mate, but a big enough difference to warrant the sending off? Hit someone high with your hand or arm and you can still get sent off if there's malice. I think too much is being made of the shoulder too. That's exactly how you should be hitting someone in the tackle (see Tommy) as long as it's into the body, which is what Singleton was clearly intending to do.
The Roby one I was referring to was in the first half and a penalty was given.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"
The penalty was only given because Faz stayed down (which he is being accused of milking the penalty for) originally it was play on as the Singleton incident was.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"
With you. I thought you meant it wasn't given at all. Agreed then
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| If ever there's a case for "sending off sufficient", this is it.
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| Quote ="apollosghost"If ever there's a case for "sending off sufficient", this is it.'"
Forget that, 3 matches, wonder if we can borrow Saints appeals guy
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| Quote ="apollosghost"Forget that, 3 matches, wonder if we can borrow Saints appeals guy'"
I predicted 2.
Would be interested to read the reasoning.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"I predicted 2.
Would be interested to read the reasoning.'"
"Reckless, player tried to tackle, reckless about outcome"
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| Wow!
Debatable red but I can live with that but 3 games is astonishing. I’ lost with it all, I really am.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Wow!
Debatable red but I can live with that but 3 games is astonishing. I’ lost with it all, I really am.'"
Wonder if his previous record counted against him, still not sure what he was supposed to do in the split second he had to react,
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| That's just nuts. I'm not going to argue about the sending off as it's interpretation at the end of the day but 3 games for that? What next? 1 game for tying your shoelaces too tight?
Anyway....onwards and upwards. I hope we use the availability of his place to blood one of our young academy props as there's a few real contenders in there.
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| Quote ="apollosghost"Forget that, 3 matches, wonder if we can borrow Saints appeals guy'"
could we borrow Leeds' appeals guy instead?
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| Quote ="apollosghost"Wonder if his previous record counted against him, still not sure what he was supposed to do in the split second he had to react,'"
Well it didn't count against Bentley and one or two others.
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"I predicted 2.
Would be interested to read the reasoning.'"
Here you are mate, a bag of e.
Case Number:
ON/1207/22
Brad Singleton #8, Wigan
Competition:
Super League
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St Helens v Wigan Warriors
Match Date:
2022-07-09
Incident:
High Tackle
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Charge
Charge Detail:
Law 15.1(b) – High Tackle
Reckless – tried to tackle but reckless about outcome.
Grade C
Sanctions:
3 Match Penalty Notice
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| Are these kind of decisions being made in the NRL?
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| I just think the whole thing is very harsh. I get the reasoning, direct contact with shoulder to head.
I think context has to be taken into account though. Singleton was going in to make a tackle, field gets there first and the Sironen’s position then changes, he starts to go down. Singleton can’t pull out or adjust quickly enough and makes contact. Without Field’s involvement it’s a good tackle. That been seems to have been ignored.
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| Quote ="Trainman"I just think the whole thing is very harsh. I get the reasoning, direct contact with shoulder to head.
I think context has to be taken into account though. Singleton was going in to make a tackle, field gets there first and the Sironen’s position then changes, he starts to go down. Singleton can’t pull out or adjust quickly enough and makes contact. Without Field’s involvement it’s a good tackle. That been seems to have been ignored.'"
Same as Lees last week against Catalans, nothing he could do after Walmsley got there first and quite rightly it got overturned, damned if I can see a difference, the fact no Saints player batted an eyelid at the tackle speaks volumes
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| Quote ="apollosghost"Same as Lees last week against Catalans, nothing he could do after Walmsley got there first and quite rightly it got overturned, damned if I can see a difference, the fact no Saints player batted an eyelid at the tackle speaks volumes'"
You're genuinely saying you can't see a difference between Singleton's tackle and Lees's tackle last week?
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"You're genuinely saying you can't see a difference between Singleton's tackle and Lees's tackle last week?'"
I'm saying Singleton couldn't do anything about it, contact with the head absolutely, a card fair enough, but a 3 game ban on top is ridiculous
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| I hope the players lying down holding their heads/necks and the referees and disciplinary officials are watching Origin.
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