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Quote: thepriestman85 "A little weird as I would have expected Vievers to play in the CC game next week?

Slight worry if we are gonna be playing a senior team when we should be resting.'"


The Dual Registered players can't play for their 'Second' club in the challenge cup. I don;t know off the top of my head which Championship clubs are in the next round, but, any of our players who play for those teams won't be able to play for them. Also, with it being a Dual Registration, Wigan can recall these players whenever they want & send them back when they want. It's a really good deal for the Wigan club & for the youngsters.

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Quote: thepriestman85 "A little weird as I would have expected Vievers to play in the CC game next week?

Slight worry if we are gonna be playing a senior team when we should be resting.'"


I can't see Maguire and Wane resting players and taking the CC game lightly. That approach can lead to you getting embarrassed as Sheffield certainly won't be taking it lightly. I'd expect an attitude more along the lines of you can have a rest for the cup weekend if we are not still in it.

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Good news imo! Good opportunity for the players to be getting more games and shows they are part of the clubs plans.

I have a few mates up in Whitehaven and planning on visit to the Recre in a few weeks, so may get the chance to see how they boys are getting on.

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great idea . It will bring them on much faster. It will also leave gaps for some under 18 to push into the under 20 . this will bring their game on also. i cant see any disadvantage

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Quote: wiganermike "I can't see Maguire and Wane resting players and taking the CC game lightly. That approach can lead to you getting embarrassed as Sheffield certainly won't be taking it lightly. I'd expect an attitude more along the lines of you can have a rest for the cup weekend if we are not still in it.'"


Sheffield and the Challenge Cup don't sit comfortably alongside each other in my memory. I hear what everyone's saying, but I hope we aren't planning to turn out an A-team.

Let's not forget that Graham Lowe's unstoppable (and fleetingly very overconfident) Wigan side was stopped in its tracks in the first round of the CC by an Oldham team filled with geriatrics like Paddy Kirwin.

(Shudders at the mere memory).

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Quote: Cruncher "Sheffield and the Challenge Cup don't sit comfortably alongside each other in my memory. I hear what everyone's saying, but I hope we aren't planning to turn out an A-team.

Let's not forget that Graham Lowe's unstoppable (and fleetingly very overconfident) Wigan side was stopped in its tracks in the first round of the CC by an Oldham team filled with geriatrics like Paddy Kirwin.

(Shudders at the mere memory).'"


That's the point I was making about why I don't think we will rest a lot of players as many think.

Lets not forget either that a highly motivated second tier Salford put an end to our eight year run in the cup.

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Quote: cadoo "Great news.

How many is that now?

Stefan Marsh - Whitehaven
Josh Vievers - Whitehaven
Chris Tuson - Castleford
Shaun Ainscough - Castleford
Liam Farrell - Widnes
Ben Davies - Widnes
Neil Holland - Blackpool
John Walker - Blackpool

Anymore?

I think that only leaves Josh Charnley and Karl Pryce from the Reserves who are in the First team squad who are not out on loan.

Stefan Marsh and Josh Vievers will both get games too because Whitehaven are having a torrid time with injuries at the moment.'"


Good to see our lads in pairs too. Nothing like seeing a friendly face when you move to a new club.

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Quote: wiganermike "I can't see Maguire and Wane resting players and taking the CC game lightly. That approach can lead to you getting embarrassed as Sheffield certainly won't be taking it lightly. I'd expect an attitude more along the lines of you can have a rest for the cup weekend if we are not still in it.'"


We'd be stupid not to rest some of our senior players who haven't had a rest all season when we have players like Feka, Pryce & Deacon struggling to get game time.

I'm not advocating sending our under 20's out to play. (although we saw what they did to the best team in that league during pre season ) But I do suggest we rest key players like Fielden, Sam and Gleeson and they’ve been through the wars as of late and we’ve got quality in Feka, Deacon and Pryce to replace them.

I can’t see the logic in putting a full strength team out when we know we’ve still got international class in reserve?

I’d personally go for

FB-Vievers
W-Charnely
C-Carmont
C-Pryce
W-Goulding
SO-Phelps
SH-Deacon
P-Feka
Hk-Mcilorum
P-Prescott
SR-Farrell
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13-Bailey

Sb-O’Carrol
Sb-Coley
Sb-Joel
Sb-Tommy if fit

Now that team is SL class- Carmont, Phelps, Deacon, Feka, Mcilorum, Goulding, Bailey, Prescott and Mossop are all SL standard.

Also the good thing about that team is apart from the bench every starting player has missed a few games this season meaning we are only giving players a rest who have played every game i.e Sam, Fielden and Lockers

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It's a fair trek to Haven - will they train with Wigan all week, perhaps with Haven for 1 session before the game?

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Quote: Finfin "It's a fair trek to Haven - will they train with Wigan all week, perhaps with Haven for 1 session before the game?'"


Does Stef Marsh drive? Vievers doesn't.

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Quote: cadoo "Of course there is a point to an U20's side.

Personally I think Wigan are doing an excellent job taking full advantage of one of the better ideas from the RFL.

These lads will be tested at a higher level now against tougher players and it will allow Wigan to make a more accurate judgement on who has a future at the club & who perhaps doesn't. It then means that when the ones who are good enough return to Wigan they are more battle hardened and ready for Super League & can slot right in.

Two of our stand out performers this year - Joel Tomkins and Lee Mossop have benefited from loan spells at championship clubs. It's a great move and one I am glad Wigan have picked up on.'"



Exactly. The point of the U20's side is to bring through Academy players. Sending them out on dual registrations is the final vetting process for the coaching staff; i.e. yes they've excelled for the kids, now let's see if they can do it against seasoned professionals at a lower level.

As you've said it's worked with Tomkins and Mossop so the club is going to continue to use it.

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Quote: P-J "Exactly. The point of the U20's side is to bring through Academy players. Sending them out on dual registrations is the final vetting process for the coaching staff; i.e. yes they've excelled for the kids, now let's see if they can do it against seasoned professionals at a lower level.

'"


Thats it. All the players that have gone out are in their fourth year or more of Academy Rugby. The academy level is very useful but after time, mentally, the challenge can become stale and repetitive. I think quite a few youngsters in recent times have fell foul of that and without a dual-reg opportunity it ended up hard for them to prove themselves, and before they know it their careers have passed them by.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Does Stef Marsh drive? Vievers doesn't.'"


Yeah he does.

Some more good news imo seem to be getting lots at the mo icon_biggrin.gif long may it continue.

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Quote: cadoo "

I think that only leaves Josh Charnley and Karl Pryce from the Reserves who are in the First team squad who are not out on loan.

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And Joe Mellor, though of course he's still injured.

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They will probably travel with Rob Jackson and Andy Thornley

Its props we desperate for and Paleaasina's name came up as a loan rumour...i just laughed when i heard, But i do see he not figuring much at moment for you...Do you think they would they send him up here for few weeks with the two young lads, or is that really out the question ?

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