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Quote: tricky t74 "yep'"
if singing world class props such as price was as easy as your post implied im sure wigan would be the best team in the world right now. Unfortunately its not that easy; and we have to settle for the fieldens of this modern game.

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Newsnight 13th May 2010: "With the role of Deputy Prime Minister a non-job. Has Nick Clegg gone from King Maker to tea maker????" I kept the faith and I kept voting Not for the iron fist but for the helping hand For theirs is a land with a wall around it And mine is a faith in my fellow man Theirs is a land of hope and glory Mine is the green field and the factory floor Theirs are the skies all dark with bombers And mine is the peace we knew Between the wars:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_4486.png



Quote: tricky t74 "easy fix sack stu/coley get in two big s h i t house props scot logan / steve price types problem solved'"


I think Coley has been better in recent games.

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Quote: fekafan17 "if singing world class props such as price was as easy as your post implied im sure wigan would be the best team in the world right now. Unfortunately its not that easy; and we have to settle for the fieldens of this modern game.'"


didnt say it was easy but we have 8 onths to sort is out b4 next pre season

and coley spends more time running sideways instead of forward

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Quote: Donna "I think Coley has been better in recent games.'"
yep, looks solid up front and seems to look more agressive. Looks like he has developed a hunger for the game.

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Newsnight 13th May 2010: "With the role of Deputy Prime Minister a non-job. Has Nick Clegg gone from King Maker to tea maker????" I kept the faith and I kept voting Not for the iron fist but for the helping hand For theirs is a land with a wall around it And mine is a faith in my fellow man Theirs is a land of hope and glory Mine is the green field and the factory floor Theirs are the skies all dark with bombers And mine is the peace we knew Between the wars:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_4486.png



Quote: fekafan17 "yep, looks solid up front and seems to look more agressive. Looks like he has developed a hunger for the game.'"


Glad it's not just me, thought I was cracking up lol

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Quote: fekafan17 "yep, looks solid up front and seems to look more agressive. Looks like he has developed a hunger for the game.'"


he wud he is after a new contract and if gets one back to the same old plop we have seen from him for ages now coley the crab

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Quote: tricky t74 "didnt say it was easy but we have 8 onths to sort is out b4 next pre season

and coley spends more time running sideways instead of forward'"
i think its a bit drastic to be thinking about next season already? Look, the season has barely kicked off. Okay we have started badly and once again have not met pre-season expectations, but we have plenty of time to sort this team out. Great improvments are not made in a matter of days. The team will gradually improve as the games roll on; they need to build confidence in themselves and for the man stood either side of him. We could sign all the aussies we want; team morale and ambition is something money cant buy, but can be built without money.

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Not keen on players who turn it on for a new deal, for me, despite he's improvement, he's be out.

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Quote: fekafan17 "i think its a bit drastic to be thinking about next season already? Look, the season has barely kicked off. Okay we have started badly and once again have not met pre-season expectations, but we have plenty of time to sort this team out. Great improvments are not made in a matter of days. The team will gradually improve as the games roll on; they need to build confidence in themselves and for the man stood either side of him. We could sign all the aussies we want; team morale and ambition is something money cant buy, but can be built without money.'"


can you honestly see us winning anything ??? to win more than we lose this year wud b a blessing tbh

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Not keen on players who turn it on for a new deal, for me, despite he's improvement, he's be out.'"
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Quote: tricky t74 "can you honestly see us winning anything ??? to win more than we lose this year wud b a blessing tbh'"
im not suggesting we are going to win anything, but thinking about next season so early into the season would be an attitude which would see us sit on the bottom of the league.

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Quote: fekafan17 "im not suggesting we are going to win anything, but thinking about next season so early into the season would be an attitude which would see us sit on the bottom of the league.'"


i go every week and cheer them on we know they can play as we saw at saints game and i hope we play well every week and win but just imagine if we had morley/peacock/grayham up front instead of coley and stu what a team we cud be i am just saying we need to get it right for nxt year

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "It's the poor state of this team that we are now considering putting players back into the starting 13 who we once dropped cos they weren't good enough i.e Smith/Phelps.

If we are going to put these players in we need to do something different with them, i.e try them in different positions i.e Phelps at 6, or Smith teaming with Tomkins not Tommy.

Lets take a genuine look at our team and work out how to fix it.

Some of what I have to say will be harsh, and generate disagreement, but this is what I believe is best.

Richards, Roberts, Ainscough.

Here we have 3 wingers. I like all 3, especially Ainscough, but for me we are playing a winger at FB. I want them all in the 17 each week, but playing a winger at FB is a problem.

A true FB does more than kick returns, they join up in the line of attack either as a deep lying second receiver or as a 2nd centre down the same side creating an over lap, support play is also a massive part in their game. Look at how much Webb or Briscoe adds to their teams. If Pat is going to become our FB permanently he needs to spend many an hour with Radders learning the ins and outs of the role. Then maybe we can keep them all in the starting 13, but right now it's effecting our attacking options.

Gleeson and Carmont are quality centres. No issues there.

Sam Tomkins, Tommy, Tim Smith, Phelps.

The halves. This is a massive issue. Tommy is not a 7. He no longer even plays like a 7, a 7 is the biggest creative factor in any team, and to be honest we don't have one, hence why we are so flat and basically look clueless in attack.
Wigan didn't play to Sam in france, which worried me, he is a talent, skillful and knows the game, players need to play to Sam more, but it's a lot to ask of him to run the team on his own at his age behind a beaten pack, he needs help.
Smith is an interesting one, he has slick hands but has proven to have difficulty reading the game from a defensive view point, he leaves gaps in the line and has trouble tackling, at Wigan this is massive considering how little the pack protects it's players, but no long are fans expecting the world from him as they were after Barrett left, remember Tim has issues, and probably isn't great directly under the spotlight, but now the spotlight has moved it's focus to the likes of Fielden. For this reason, I think a call up maybe on the cards. For this to work he has to be teamed with Sam and not Tommy, when someone partners Tommy they have to practically run the attacking options on their own, not Tommy's fault, he's just not a 7.

Phelps needs to given a run at 6 in the reserves, see how he links up in the position, if he does well, then a call up to the first team could be on the cards, right now the halves need to be sorted a.s.a.p, against Cats no one at all took control of the team.

Front Row Fielden, Prescott, Coley, O Carroll, Riddell, Tommy, Feka, McClorum.

Fielden is doing no good for himself or the club starting or even being in the 17 each week. It's time we forgot about his salary and status and looked at him asking the question-is he good enough to get into the 17? Answer being no. He needs to either-take a rest to get himself together-mentally and physically or run it out in the reserves until he sorts himself out.
This leaves us with a starting 4 of, Prescott, O Carroll, Coley and Feka. Which, if Coley pushes on isn't too bad. Take Coley to one side and let him know he's now the experienced prop out there, he needs to step up, throw his weight about and be the pack leader, someone for the other guys to look up to. He's the man. Sports psychology is massive, this could help Coley drive on, in the last few games he's played well, lets encourage this and push on.

Prescott is young but has skills, I was pleased with his offloads after attracting several tacklers against Cats, more games and aggression is what he needs in his game.
I want to see O Carroll fired up. I want to see him hit the line like the defending him has just slapped his mother in the face, with every drive I wanna think it could potentially 'kick off' he hitting the line so hard. Then he could become the second impact prop we are looking for. Spell him with the awesome Feka, he needs to be told how much he is valued at the club, and to keep fighting on.

The speed of attack isn't there from dummy half we move up slow and fail to surprise the defensive with speed, we never drag them around the field making them work fearing our attack.
Watch how good Tommy was at 9 in the WC, at 7 he was hopeless, at 9 he was quick, had a good step and basically out played the best 9 in the world Cam Smith. With him at 9 we have speed and options and someone who can link up with the halves. He needs to be the starting 9, set the tone and push in with attacking speed, our 3/4 line is awesome, if they were getting the ball at speed it would change everything.
Riddell doesn't have the speed we need, he needs to be told if he doesn't improve his speed and fitness he's in the reserves till he proves he has a similar attacking presence to Cunningham.
McClorum just doesn't look good enough, but he's young, see where he's at come the end of the season.

Back Row Lockers, Bailey, Hock, Hansen, Joel Tomkins.

We have Hansen and Bailey who are very similar, both can tackle up and prove to be defensively strong throughout the game but offer very little in attack, Hock was missed cos he's the only second row, when Tomkins is off the field who can go forward. We had no go forward with these in the second row, the back 3, a tackle machine, a SR with go forward and a ball playing loose. V Cats we had 3 tacklers no go forward. All 3 need to be able to attack but that is the general structure.

Joel has ability I don't want people to forget how well he played as a 13 with Lockers injured, he was better at 13 that Lockers. He needs to be given the confidence by the coaching staff and played their and told he's the man for the job, go out there, link up with the 6 and 7 and become the best 13 going.

Lockers is a good SR and an OK 13, he can be the tackle machine with go forward in the SR, a back 3 with Lockers-tackle machine, Hock-SR with go forward, and Joel as a ball playing loose we have a good back 3. 3 Wiganers to boot.

My team for next week

Completely agree.....

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One of the major elements of my initial speech was 'man-management', devised from sports psychology.

This is something that I think is missing form the team at the moment, self believe, player worth, confidence which will encourage desire, creating a happy team.

I don't believe Noble is generating a good feeling in the camp. We have the players with the skill, just not the self believe anymore.

Noble, in his post cats interview focused on ball control being the fundamental issue, I think it runs much deeper than that, I think it's moral within the team.

IL needs to make the hard decision and sake Nobby.

I just hope right now he's in the process of talking to other managers out there.

I'm awaiting my phone call IL! icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: tricky t74 "he wud he is after a new contract and if gets one back to the same old plop we have seen from him for ages now coley the crab'"


Not necessarily. We could offer him only a year at a time and only need to offer him a new contract if someone else tries to take him from us; if noone does we can offer at the end of the season giving him no chance to sit back and think "I have a contract sod it now."

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