I would hazard a guess that it's more about their own characters than anything Wigan did or didn't do.

Agreed. The common denominator appears to be the personality glitches demonstrated by those two players again and again.

Zak's done stupid things wherever he's been. It wasn't just Wigan. While Jackson was shown the door in Aus, had a bit of a love-in with Salford, where let's face it, he was the biggest fish they'd had in their small pond for years, and when he came over to us, seemed to resent the fact he wasn't instantly regarded as a star. A pity, as both had great talent.

They both show selfish, or at least self centred, personalities. There's very little you can do to override that when someone with those particular character traits "want" something. Their own wants trump anything else. Salford met Hastings' "wants" at that particular time which is why he has an affinity with that club. Wigan was just a job.

I can't go trawling that far back through old posts but I did put on here before Hastings had even played a game for us that he had been trying to engineer a move back to Salford and didn't want to be here. I got slammed for it but I swear it's the truth. Watson told him they couldn't afford him. I very much doubt he ever wanted to be here in all his time with us. Probably had a training session with lam and knew he wasn't a coach.

Lammy clearly lacked much of what makes a good coach. But that doesn't excuse Hastings for me.

We were still his new employers. The very least he could have done was show us some basic respect.

I can't tell you how glad I am the guy's gone. The night when he almost cried because he had to score a try against Salford was truly pathetic. He'd only been there because he couldn't get a gig in Aus.

I feel you’re bang on there.

Couldn’t agree more. That and playing alongside an organised half back in Cust as well as being coached by Briers. The upturn in his form is IMO quite remarkable. He’s gone from a HB a few were calling to be moved on, to an HB we don’t want to ever lose.

Hastings was playing well until he scored then he went into his shell for the duration of the second half . Pathetic ‘love in’ with Salford cost us the game.

Hastings and Hardaker were, culturally, two of the worst Wigan signings of all time, so yeah, b*llocks to them quite frankly.

I feel similarly about the subject of this thread. Didn't move back for the money and now is suffering. Erm...good?

Another defeat for George today at the hands of Wakefield. - joint next-to-bottom

He said he went there for the challenge and to win trophies. I doubt he will win another trophy for the rest of his career. Well maybe the Championship with Leigh. Good job he was lying and went for the money. Just don't tell the Warrington fans that.

Williams has got to the stage in his career we’re he needs to be one of the players to help direct a team around the field. That is the one thing he’s never been good at. You can be the best kicker and passer in the game at that position but if no one knows what happening you’ll end up like Warrington

Off topic but in relation to the game today if you get to watch the highlights hopefully they show the tackle by Murphy tracking the Williams break back is very special and was basically the turning point of the match.