Which was also Madge's philosophy (and many other coaches, of course). I believe "roadkill" was the term he used.

Almost every game, particularly those with a clear underdog see exactly this kind of play. This isn't an attribute of any team, it's an attribute of the sport. How many times do we see the Sky team commenting on it?

And then, there's the big hit, shoulder charge and late tackle. Every team make them, and every team celebrates the big hit. Again, aggression is not a unique characteristic of the stop or any professional sportsman.

It's struck me a few times lately that shoulder charges seem to be coming back in under the radar unpunished. In the NRL as well. You are especially likely to get away with it if you are

a) "Little man on big man", or

b) Second man in.

You often see the ball carrier using the shoulder and they never get pulled up for it.

Yes, agreed. We'll call that

c).

Somebody change the thread title to When we win nothing AGAIN this year-Wane out ?

Why the question mark on the end?

Because it's on the original thread title, but I agree, it shouldn't even be a question especially given the god awful style of play that's been served up these past couple of seasons.

You often see fans shouting for shoulder charges that aren't. Need the rotation of the body and the arm tucked, not just a tackle where the player doesn't use his arm

Wane's post-match comments are hilariously predictable. He'd better hope we "learn from this defeat", because if Saints rack up another number on us, it could get really ugly on Friday. There is definitely a feeling of restlessness building on the terraces after recent weeks.

I still think we'll turn it around and make the GF, but I doubt it'll be much to do with SW.

I will have a pint of whatever you're supping

Who will it have to do with then? This side doesn't have the characters to tell the coach where to go as did the Edwards led side that ignored John Dorahay. And that is what is required.

We don't have one player with a pair of nuts.

What's going to happen is we are knocked out away from home in the Semi Final.

That will mean we have gone full circle since Waney was appointed head coach and will be at the same point we were when Noble's contract was not renewed after another season of nothing.

Waney has coached us back to the Noble era.

He's gotta go asap.

It will be down to the individual talents of the players and the fact the rest of SL is w***. End of chat.