McIlorum and Clark are both completely different types of players, would be the perfect mix playing 40 mins each in a team.

I had to ask the guy next to me which one Clark was.

Didn't notice him at all yesterday.

McIllorum clearly wasn't match fit yesterday (neither was O'Loughlin!), but he still crunched a few of your forwards.

He doesn't have the scooting game of Roby/Clark, but he distributes the ball well from dummy half and sets the tone in defence.

Probably my favourite Wigan player.

MM must be better than Roby as he won the last game between the 2 and was better on the pitch....or is that only for when wigan lose?

Here we go, the old argument that if your team wins then you have automatically "owned" your opponent. Brilliant.

When people enter into a little bit of banter with YG, just keep in mind a post he made on the Cas board, talking about Wane, and all of us....

"He sums up the Wigan club. Horrible, arrogant people who spit their dummies out then things don't go their way.

I'm delighted they lost.
by The Yellow Giraffe"

That's exactly my point and why the stats can tell lies. I also agree Micky Mac and Roby/Clarke would be ideal to play together, much like the KC and Roby combo at saints

I'm not sure what this proves. I've never attempted to hide how I feel. The difference is I can still have reasonable conversations on here. It's everyone else who tries to turn it into a petty row.

There's only me who hasn't resorted to derailing and insults and yet I'm the bad guy apparently.

I've never known such a xenophobic group of people.

Ps my post didn't mention the Wigan fans. Seeing as I have close friends and family who are lifelong Wigan fans you are barking up the wrong tree, again.

Why don't we just stick to the topic instead of you picking fights?

I agree they are very different type of players and this was one of the reasons I started the thread.

We had two different styles head to head yesterday and it'll be interesting to see what McNamara goes for.

I think Roby will be there for sure, but whether he goes for a hooker on the bench or not remains to be seen and if so, would he go for a Clark-type or McIlorum?

thats what you have been getting at all along flower

I haven't at all. I mentioned the "owning" as a tongue in cheek reference to how you lot think McIlorum own Roby simply because Wigan have beaten Saints.

What I've been "getting at" is the current battle for the no.9 jersey for England and what people's thoughts were.

I've never suggested Clark should play for England simply because Castleford won yesterday, flower.

Daryl Clarke is on a different planet compared to Micky Mak IMO
The only thing that Micky brings to the table is his undoubted enthusiasm and aggression
He is well below Roby and Clark

All depends on the speed of the play the ball with Clark to be honest. Don't remember him doing much when we were able to slow them down a bit (although he might not have been on the pitch.. can't remember).

Why all this anyway?
McIlorum's leg was strapped up yesterday like I've not seen it before. He was plainly not fit. Clarke had a better game did he? OK then, he wasn't out there much though.
Wigan fans are, me included, very happy with Micky Mac as he has done it tough for us in Finals and big games for years. We are even more happy that he's signed for another four years.
Saints fans think Roby's great which he is, Cas fans feel the same about Clark.
Just that Micky is a very big reason why we've won trophies for the past number of years.

Agree with all of that.

One thing nobody could question is his importance to Wigan. The only thing I'm not convinced of is whether he would have the same effect for England.

Some thing like this I think, probably daz's quietest performance this season, weather that was due to wigan tactics I don't know. Clark played up until 30 mins and then came back on just after farrell scored, normally he does more minutes but I think the plan was to use him at the end as the wigan forwards tired, plus he gave Finny a rest after he had been ran at all game. Both hookers were fairly average on Saturday but to compare them is folly, different players but both equally important to their respective teams, my opinion is that Clark will be the England hooker for years to come, where he plays his club rugby when that happens is anyone's guess