Sets it up for an epic night, Wigan major underdogs, commentary write us off before it's started. Wigan wrestle with them for the first 20 mins, confidence grows, some of our underperformers have the game of their lives .... TBC

Unlike Murphy who got one game and then a semi-final to deal with Hampshire has a) had a few more games and b) this is not a semi final must win game.

We are playing the most unimaginative RL I have seem in years. OK early in the season against poorer sides we looked great but against the better teams we seem to have no idea how to unlock defences and it is just so boring to watch the same thing being tried and failing again.

The only way I can see us winning tonight is to stop them scoring and us sneak a couple of tries - pretty much like we did to Hull at Wembley because at the moment we don't seem to have more than 16 points available from our attack.

are we the most pessimistic fans in the Super League?? the majority of our own fans seem to have written us off before we've even turned up to the game. There are threads about how many tickets we have sold or how many Huddersfield have sold and why we haven't shifted more...it seems apparent, why would most of you pay your ten quid to go and watch your own team that you have written off.

I seem to be one of a small group who are actually considering a win may happen.

A couple of seasons ago, Saints recalled Matty Smith from his Salford loan to play for us in the playoffs.

Maybe because he cr@pped on our club, twice? He refused to train, then we sent him to sulk in Widnes all year, and he's generally a bad egg anyway, would you really want to be relying on him in one of our biggest games of the season? How stupid would we look if he deliberately had a stinker or kicked off with a team mate/coach mid-game or refused to come off the bench etc? All far more plausible than him coming in and killing it IMO. He's a brilliant player on his day but there's no way we should have him back now.

Man City recalled Carlos Tevez after he refused to train and play for the club, he came back and helped them win the league.

When people look back at the history books, they wont be talking about Tevez but about the Premiership the team won.

If I want to be pessimistic I can be. I do not think we're going to win tonight, I'm sorry but that's my opinion. If we do win then fantastic! But I realistically don't think we will. I have been watching Wigan all my life and can remember going to games with high hopes and then getting crushed. What's the point going into a game where you're the underdog and thinking you're going to win? 99% of the time it's going to end in tears. So I'm going to go into this one thinking that we'll get beat with the tiny bit of hope that we wont. Okay? Thanks.

Oh and p.s if you want to see real pessimism, stumble on to one of the lesser teams boards. You'll have a field day.

I have been thinking exactly the same. If we could have handpicked a way to Old Trafford 2 months ago we would all have picked two games against Huddersfield. I am fully expecting a win tonight, built on excellent defence. Proper playoff rugby league.

Been watching this game for long sherlock?

Team just announced on GMR-

We're going big on the bench.

Tomkins
Charnley
Gelling
Thornley
Richards
Green
Smith
A Powell
McIlorum
Mossop
Hansen
Farrell
Flower

Subs
Dudson
Taylor
Crosby
Hughes

6 props in that 17. I hope a lack of mobility doesn't cost us.

giants line up

grix
jerry
cudjoe
wardle
murphy
brough
robbo
earl
lunt
koppy
chan
ferres
lawerence

larne
lawernce
faiumu
wood

If you were trying to be clever by taking that sentence out of context I'd put that down as a fail if I were you.

I couldn't resist it

According to 5Live, we're playing someone called Jill

Does that mean Jack has been dropped?