The Pies are ridiculously giddy at the moment having reached a final for a change but are getting far to ahead of themselves talking about dominaton etc.

See how the big game goes first. Lets be honest the Saints team have far far more experiance of playing on the big stage.

Again, stop being so bloody soft.

Your non-underlined comments prove there is a genuine RL fan inside you trying to get out. But the underlined bits suggest that you still need to man up and push that snidey, small-dicked troll down where he belongs.

Wigan fans are going to enjoy this weekend whatever the result. Do you know why? ... because four years ago they were down and out, a busted flush, the whipping boys for the entire game. Even if you lick us tomorrow, it's been a fabulous season for Wigan RL given that so recently they were cannon fodder for even the crappest that SL had to offer.

The clean sweep at the MOS awards was some indicator that the real intelligensia of the game - the players, not Stevo and a quango of Yorkshire journalists - feel they are going the right way.

That's a success story. If you don't like it, tough ... stay away. Just stop trying to give us the benefit of advice that we didn't ask for and don't need because, frankly, it comes from someone who, even in his dreams, hasn't even got close to some of the things we have experienced.

I'm sorry if that ended on a harsh note, but you've been an idiot quite a lot tonight, and you needed slapping down.

I'll ignore your opening defensive quotation, as seems so often with you Cruncher. I shall answer your other paragraphs in seperate paragraphs myself, as I simply cannot be bothered with quoting at this time.

Whether you like it or not, today is another GF for St Helens and we are due to win another. That is not to say we will win but after 3 losses I hope the Gods are on our side. The other points are simply answering the points made by Wiganers. I have read Wigan fans on here claiming that today is the chance for Wigan to 'emulate the greats' and that every other club hates you. They dont and that is my point.

Your second paragraph is entirely correct and I dont blame you. If I'd gone through the same thing as a Saints supporter then I would be enjoying the Grand Final as well.

The MOS awards were correct. Richards has clearly been the best player this season and Tomkins the best youngster. I do think Smith had a chance as best coach but again no arguments with MaGuire. He seems to have brought a new defensive approach to SL.

I am not giving any advice Cruncher. This is a public forum where views are entitled to be given, yours as much as mine. Cruncher, I have been a St Helens supporter since I was 5 years old and followed them since the early 1980s. I know full well what winning means to us because I watched you dominate the game, unprofessionally, for years. Lets not pretend that today means more to you than me because frankly, it doesnt.

Cruncher, the only person capable of 'slapping me down' is my wife. I played rugby in St Helens and I now play Union (blasphemy I know) in Scotland. Lets not play the internet hardman and pretend that you're some kind of gospel on the game when your posts clearly show that you are far from it.

"Someone who hasn't got close to some of the things we have experienced"

Like your relegation in the early 80s and your subsequent 3,000 crowds.

SPOT ON! I'm not even bothering to read what Saints Tart has replied, he's just been owned!

This a thread titled "What does it mean to you?" on the Wigan board, and we've got saints fans telling us we're wrong?



Firstly this is a thread asking for the views of Wigan fans, not asking for Saints fans to come and tell us that we are talking cr@p. Secondly if it means something to us, if to someone it suggests another era of dominance (i'm not saying I do or do not agree) then you cannot tell them they are wrong, it's not a statment of fact but an opinion.

Of course us Wigan fans are getting excited, after the last few years this IS a big deal, we HAVE come a long way, and we WILL be giddy and enjoy it!

And still your tone is idiotic ... and a bit defensive and soppy.

You're taking it personally that Wigan fans are giddy that they're in the Grand Final. The fact that you're even on here, instead of trumpeting your own strengths on your own board, is proof of this.

For Heaven's sake, what do you expect?

If this is the way you react to Wigan fans celebrating that they're in the final, I dread to think how you'd react if they actually won it.

Man up.

I can see it now:

This is 2 threads now Cruncher where I shall give up on you. You have proved yourself twice to be totally unable to take on board the points made by myself and twice attempted to make yourself look like some intelligent poster. The reality is that you have failed big time. If you want to post to myself, please post intelligent responses which at the very least, answer my points. If not, then enjoy the game and may the best team win.

Excellent post.







Agreed. COME ON WIGAN!!!

Oh dear oh dear