I know but I was alluding to the semi that Salford had a possible try stopped by cheating from your side.

The final I hadnt mentioned that as I had mentioned us beating you in the semi I only replied to your comment about the final that I had omitted it (we deserved to win the CC as we didnt win by cheating)
So yes you was lucky against Salford .

You just keep contradicting yourself it’s so hard to keep up.

Personally I don’t see how you can genuinely believe we are no longer a force but also take us extremely seriously. It’s one or the other. Or are you just covering your backside for every eventuality?

I agreed our discipline has been poor and acknowledged we haven’t consistently hit our usual standards yet this year. Did I agree we are “shot at” or are no longer a force or will struggle to win anything? Absolutely not.

So you agree that you have problems re discipline and that I think once that is sorted you will go ok.
I dont care if you disagree with the "shot at " comment ,but what I see is that things are not sorted you will win nothing.
To help you-
If things are sorted you could win everything
If things are not I believe you will win nothing (WCC the exception before you remind me)
Surely that is clear enough for you and I am not contradicting myself or covering my backside.
Just my opinion and not the Bookies.

As I thought. All bases covered.

How where Saints lucky to get to the final last year?

Did you not see Makinson take a Salford player out in the act of scoring.
Doesnt mean you would have lost but it should have been a 8 point try puts a different complexion on the game dont you think.

But the ref gave the penalty but not the try now that is down to opinions in all fairness I think St Helens got the rub of the green re that.
All history now .

Wouldn't have been a 8 point try though would it? They are given if a player is fouled in the act of scoring

Surely he was fouled before he could score is that not a 8 point try if it was a cert he would have scored.
Makinson got 10 mins for the foul.
Anyway it could have been 6pts at least.

Obviously ref didnt think Salford player would have got to the ball.
Like I say history now.

You’re getting confused between a penalty try and an “8 point try.”

For me Laffi exagerated the dive once Tommy fouled him

Ok

ok

It would never have been an 8 point try lol. you have to actually score it to get one of those. it might have been a penalty try but there clearly wasnt enough evidence to award it

you keep posting as though we got away with it or something. we didn't. they got a penalty and we got a man in the bin. it was salford that couldn't do anything with the chance that presented them

I dont think there was a lot of time left to do anything with the chance that presented them.
I did agree previously re the penalty try scenario my mistake.
And yes I do think you got away with it,as others did at the time.