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| You've picked one sentence out of a whole reply which is about thugby.
Boyd and Nickle were thugs of the first order.
This is a thread about Thugby as my reply indicated.
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| Quote tugglesf78="tugglesf78"
By the way
Your comments on depression on the VT where disgusting. Mind you that's why you posted it. To make your little winkle tinkle when you see people being offended from the comfort of you PC.
oooooohhhhhhhhh
What a big man'"
No. That comment was way out of order and posted out of frustration after just witnessing the incident. But that's no excuse and i'll now face the consequences by being labelled (if i wasn't already) as a bellend. I'll deal with it.
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| Quote FlexWheeler="FlexWheeler"No. That comment was way out of order and posted out of frustration after just witnessing the incident. But that's no excuse and i'll now face the consequences by being labelled (if i wasn't already) as a bellend. I'll deal with it.'"
Fair enough
I am saying nothing more on the subject as you have apologised, in public and about something that happened completely in the heat of the moment when your blood was up, for which you now feel nothing but remorse
It would be completely unfair for me to repeatedly chastise you over and over and over and over again. On social media, the free press, television and this good forum.
That would just be like some sort of which hunt!
hmm......................... 
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| Quote tugglesf78="tugglesf78"Fair enough
I am saying nothing more on the subject as you have apologised, in public and about something that happened completely in the heat of the moment when your blood was up, for which you now feel nothing but remorse
It would be completely unfair for me to repeatedly chastise you over and over and over and over again.'"
You could if you want but no one would care because I'm a nobody!
Now the RFL have dealt with it swiftly the uproar in the media and on social networks should clam down. When flower returns it'll be forgotton, all is forgiven. 
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| Quote Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Lets have a competition:
Which of the two teams in the Grand Final had the most players found guilty of foul play this SL season?'"
I was looking at this over the weekend so would like to have a go at answering.
By my calculations both Saints and Wigan had 7 players charged during the Super League season.
Is that correct?
Additionally, I also noticed Saints had 26 other incidents looked at resulting in "No Charge".
Wigan had 48.
Quite a difference there.
I couldn't help but notice that Sam Powell was looked at 5 times during the season.
Two of which were in the last two games and two of which were within two minutes in the same match.
Four of the five incidents were for direct contact with the standing/supporting leg(s), with the other also in regard to tackling technique.
I thought that quite interesting.
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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"I'm not looking at any further statistic because I don't have time to - as much as I'd like to compile a full model on the matter, life gets in the way. It's not any statistic, I've given my reason why I used the statistic I did and you yourself said it was a fair point.
You can ask "but whose perception is it" all you like - but it's clearly a common held belief amongst fans outside of your club. I think Wigan play closer to the line than other clubs, the stats I provided backed that up. I've not accused Wigan of being dirty or anything else, but I can understand how people interpret the citings as such (that doesn't mean they're right).
If wigan as a club don't want to be accused of "thugby" they need to step in line with the number of citings (the number of times they get close to stepping over the line) with other clubs - whatever that takes.'"
I'm sure Phil Clarke will have all those stats ready for the next time he bores the crap out of us with stats.
Strangely not seen or heard of him since last Saturday
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| Quote The Riddler="The Riddler"Additionally, I also noticed Saints had 26 other incidents looked at resulting in "No Charge".
Wigan had 48.
Quite a difference there.'"
What is quite interesting, is that Wigan had an extra 22 incidents looked at, which resulted in no charge. So an actual difference of 0 charges brought against both clubs.
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| Quote The Riddler="The Riddler"I was looking at this over the weekend so would like to have a go at answering.
By my calculations both Saints and Wigan had 7 players charged during the Super League season.
Is that correct?
Additionally, I also noticed Saints had 26 other incidents looked at resulting in "No Charge".
Wigan had 48.
Quite a difference there.
I couldn't help but notice that Sam Powell was looked at 5 times during the season.
Two of which were in the last two games and two of which were within two minutes in the same match.
Four of the five incidents were for direct contact with the standing/supporting leg(s), with the other also in regard to tackling technique.
I thought that quite interesting.'"
Not quite - I said found guilty in the SL this season. Being charged with something does not imply guilt. Saints have had more players found guilty of foul play in the SL this season than Wigan. However you'd think Wigan went onto the pitch with AK47s with the bile threads like this throw up. Hull KR and Catalan had more players found guilty than either Wigan or Saints.
As already been stated there is no difference the number of incidents resulting in no charge because there wasn't actually anything wrong in terms of foul play that required any kind of disciplinary punishment. Perhaps it shows even the RFL are falling for the urban myth and when they actually look at the detail there isn't anything there.
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| Quote St pete="St pete"I'm sure Phil Clarke will have all those stats ready for the next time he bores the crap out of us with stats.
Strangely not seen or heard of him since last Saturday'"
And where precisely would you have expected to see him? Newsnight? Never Mind the Buzzcocks? Down your local?
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| Quote Aboveusonlypie="Aboveusonlypie"And where precisely would you have expected to see him? Newsnight? Never Mind the Buzzcocks? Down your local?'"
He was probably expecting a personal email full of grovelling apologies for being a Wiganer, which in typical grandstanding Saints fan fashion, he could then reject.
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| Quote St pete="St pete"It's because you play with an aggressive nature and people still remember the likes of Hock and Newton.
Also the way Wane comes across doesn't help things.
I wouldn't say Wigan are dirty, I'd say they play aggressive and play on the edge and nothing wrong with that but when your an aggressive team like that it gets other fans wound up so when Wigan do over step the mark it then becomes "thugs".
However, I do believe Wigan have had some of the dirtest plsyers to play super league in Hock, Newton and Micky Mac.'"
Kieron Cunningham received no ban whatsoever when he forearmed a player in the face whilst on the floor, and fractured said player's eye-socket (Stosic of Wakefield). No ban, no threat of police, for what was a far worse incident. It is just a shame that Flower didn't keep his composure, because he's NOT a dirty player, far from it; but had he done so it should have been St Helens down to 12 men for the match, and I suspect they would have lost by more than 40 points.
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