the ultras

Quote: 21-12 "I never said the meetings were pointless, I meant people getting involved might be better just coming to away games and grabbing a flag, the more the merrier. It might be a bit confusing going to a meeting and seeing all these faces, then getting involved in the atmosphere away from home and realising it's a conplete different bunch of people. I'd like to hear the new ideas and will be attending the next meeting. The thing that has disappointed me is that at meetings in the past we seem to get all these people "up for it" and then matchday comes and as per the hull game, we have jukesays and Conroy putting up the gantry flags as always, then myself and jimmybirts/warrior Lou with the wavers, everybody else seems to dissapear when it comes to actually putting on a display. The world club challenge was great, but this wasn't a "one game idea" as I said, same away from home, don't tend to see people getting involved in the atmosphere and holding of banners/flags, it seems to be a complete different group non of which actually post on here I don't think apart from 18th man.'"

You said "I would probably say personally, if people would like to get "involved" so to speak that attending a meeting may be pointless now as we have a full gantry and dont really need flag ideas, designs etc, your probably better off looking for the noisy section at an away game, introducing yourself and grabbing a flag/banner" and to me that means your sending out the message that going to the meetings was pointless and the only thing left to do now was grab a Banner and Wave? Whilst agreeing that getting people together to do this is important it's not by a long way the Only thing that needs doing.

There are a dozen other things being discussed and ideas muted, some about new flags others about displays (Card Displays etc) and other things such as Logistics of getting flags to games and volunteers to do them etc (Which I think we'll all agree you can't have too many of?).

I've not even scratched the surface with regards to the "organisation" of all of this which (And I know you know what I'm inferring here) needs to be discussed at the earliest and if not adressed will lead to problems further down the line for all of us?
Maybe it's those that think it is just about coming along, waving a flag (Or Blowing a Whistle etc) who need to be educated in how much work, organisation etc goes on behind the scenes?

End of the day Paul I understand that all the names mentioned do gave their time and effort and it is very much appreciated, How did they get involved? They got involved through the meetings and they understand the workings of it all behind the scenes. Something which the "Away" following need to be preaching at all times and Self Policing? Not just encouraging anyone to grab a flag and do what they want without understanding the ramifications?