That was a bad era then

it felt like 1

Love the reference to Saints failing to sell tickets for the GF - clearly no memory of the Wigan end at Murrayfield when you thought you'd lose. Still that's the beauty of sport.

I think there were 3 instances last year which are now coming home to roost. Firstly Wane's comments before the Cas cup match fired them up and they showed how to beat you.

Then Nathan Brown really wound him up after the DW match even to the surprise of Saints fans. It also subtly or perhaps not began to put pressure on referees.

Finally who ever let the Sky documentary be made and then Flowers melt down sealed what's happening now. Teams are facing up to the aggression and Wigan's discipline is letting them down.

However you're good enough to change the plan eventually and bounce back. Still expect to see you in the play offs......

I and most other Cas fans never expected that. For most of the game we were wondering if we could hold onto the lead and couldn't believe it when the lead kept stretching. have watched RL for over 60 years now and its hard to recollect a Wigan team in recent years that have been so devoid of attacking ideas. 2 of our tries did come from lucky bounces but you are sadly lacking leadership without lockers.

When SW believed he was supercoach.

SW having a whinge? Quote: To be honest we never start well and that's something I'm trying to fix. The fact is we're not the biggest team, compared to some Super League teams we're small and we're athletic which never lends itself to starting well because we're playing against bigger teams that are fit but we seem to finish well because of that reason. "Wigan have started the past few seasons slowly with Wane admitting it wasn't an acceptable situationwhen Wigan lose people get more stressed than any other club."'" www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... 228&type=1

SW having a whinge? Quote: To be honest we never start well and that's something I'm trying to fix. The fact is we're not the biggest team, compared to some Super League teams we're small and we're athletic which never lends itself to starting well because we're playing against bigger teams that are fit but we seem to finish well because of that reason. "Wigan have started the past few seasons slowly with Wane admitting it wasn't an acceptable situationwhen Wigan lose people get more stressed than any other club."'" www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... 228&type=1

I'm just glad somebody has come out and admitted we're still tiny, I thought my eyes were going!'"

could it be that top aussies can earn big bucks in oz now whereas previously top aussies would go to wigan or saints etc to win trophies ,now with wage capping top players stay in oz

Not all top players are Australian. Lots of brits have moved around in the last couple of years that would massively improve Wigan. Lots of Australians too, who whilst perhaps not big names would improve Wigan. I remember Rogues saying Walsh was no good and never takes the line on etc.

I also reckon one of your biggest issues is at hooker (particularly with limited or very young halves) but wane has too much of a mickey mac crush to notice.

It would be fascinating to know who signs players at Wigan and how close to full cap you are.

I watched Penrith v the Bulldogs last night and James Segeyaro scored a fantastic try. What a fine footballer he is. Nails, too. How we could do with someone like that.

Nah, he's just a "scooter hooker" isn't he . . . . .?

Stick to tackling and penalties, none of this fancy dan running the ball or scoring and creating tries.