The salary cap didn't make the directors overspend. It failed to prevent them overspending. It failed to meet its objectives. As did the licensing process, which is supposed to vet clubs management and finances. The whole system is a joke, overseen by clowns.

It doesn't but at the end they'll have played 27 games like everyone else.

Doesn't matter either way now

Thanks BK. I also offer my sincere apologies for continuing to oppose the cap.



The fact is that the Wigan club benefits significantly (in the short term at least) from the SC now that the club is competently run. We have an owner who doesn't want to burn millions of pounds of his own money on the club so we could never compete with Wire's apparently super rich owner if there was no SC. We have the best youth set up in the league by a country mile, which is a massive advantage, as shown in the recent injury crisis. Wigan are in an excellent position, albeit in a competion which is in serious danger in the long term.

The fact that the SC is good news for the short term interests of the club I support does not of course prevent me from opposing it as the failed and counterproductive measure that it is. The SC is a key part of a system that is now in utter disrepute, presided over by people who are to management what Ashley Young is to penalty taking. These muppets and the people running many clubs who are even more incompetent than the RFL are going to run the game into the ground. The SL will be reduced eventually to a small, semi-professional competition similar to the domestic French RL competition. That's where we will be in 10-20 years if this continues, the financial failures of clubs and dwindling real term incomes of players make it inevitable, unless major changes occur to the management and structures of the professional game.

But the cap still had zero to do with the current Bulls situation whether it failed its objectives or not - something some people still fail to understand, especially as they spend less than 50% of their turnover on the cap. You actually hit the nail on the real talking point which is the failure of the licensing system, unfortunately the cap obsessives can't see the wood for the trees.

How about "OdSlum Dog Millionaire Tandoori"

I made myself laugh then, sorry.

There are a lot of people quoting lot's of financial figures. Could someone tell me where they are getting their info from please? Wouldn't mind a look to satisfy myself.

I think everyone agrees that the CC does not prevent a club from overspending. That much is pretty obvious- you could pay the cleaner £10m a year and your players £0.5m.

However, and this is the key point, it DOES put an "extra" safeguard into the system (or at least did under the old 50% non live cap system).

Well, Bradford's monthly outgoings have been stated as £300k by Guilfoyle, which equates to £3.6 million pa, which is more than double the cap limit.

Surely the outgoings arent just the players wages? Im sure there will be rent and other things eg the Coaching staff's wages and travel to away fixtures and training facility rental/upkeep (assuming they dont just use Odsal).

Even so the outgoings do seem quite substantial for a RL club.

That's the point, players wages can only be £1.65 million, so even if the 50% rule was in place they'd still be under 50%.

The current situation at Bradford Bulls is sad for all concerned. Players, staff, fans and the whole sport of Rugby League will feel the ramifications for years to come. I really do hope Bradford turn it around but the current administrator, Brendan Guilfoyle, has said he is open to offers for players but has yet to receive any offers.

I was wondering, given our current situation with half backs, whether Jarrod Sammut is worth a bid. Comparisons with Chase and Moran about his individual flair and play style will, of course, be keenly debated. Could Sammut do a job for us in the short term, while Tommy is out, and in the longer term next year in a partnership with Matty Smith? (if it ever gets finalised and announced).

I am in two minds myself; he can be devastating at times but has vulnerabilities that need to be worked on. On top of that he has had more than his fair share of injuries and might be seen as some sort of Jonah, considering he has now been at two clubs which have gone into administration in the last year.

So, what do you think? Worth a punt or don't touch with a barge pole?

kinky sod!

Falls into the silly hair category and simply not good enough for Wigan