I think St Helens will struggle to win anything this year,as a force they are shot to pieces,some players missing games due to being grubs,some players not at the same standard as the past ( Ritson etc) some players waiting for their bus passes.
Last year they were lucky to get to the final.
They have a new coach (could be another KFC ) who seems to be out of his depth (nice bloke though)

They will struggle but it isnt impossible to turn things around,need to sort their discipline out though .
Very interesting in a couple of weeks time.

So YG,
Are you not struggling ?
Are your (some )players not coming to the end (careers ) ?
Is your discipline that needs to be sorted affecting the team ?
Are some players not as good as in the past ?
Have you some players that are not grub like (Knowles for one )
Your coach (nice bloke)hasnt the skills of say Woolf (not yet anyway)
Which one of these are not true ?
That said once sorted you could become a force again,the table doesnt lie.

I assume you’ve aimed this at me as I “laughed” at your previous post.

Firstly I’ll explain why I did that.

You say we will struggle to win anything this year - we’ve already won the World Club Challenge.
You say as a force we are shot to pieces - yet every bookie and the majority of pundits in the land still has us as favourites to win it.
We were apparently lucky to get to last years final - I assume this is because the semi final was a close contest. I apologise for not winning it in a more comfortable fashion.

So that’s why your post was funny.

Now moving on to your next post:

Are you not struggling ? - I’ve mentioned previously we aren’t at the standards of previous years currently.

Are your (some )players not coming to the end (careers ) ? - Yes. This will be the case at almost every club almost every year. It’s called biology.

Is your discipline that needs to be sorted affecting the team ?
Yes. Very much so.

Are some players not as good as in the past ? Yes. See answer 2.

Have you some players that are not grub like (Knowles for one ) Yes - See answer 3.

Your coach (nice bloke)hasnt the skills of say Woolf (not yet anyway) - We don’t know yet. He’s been in charge for less than half a season which has been far from the ordinary but does have the World Club Challenge under his belt. Not bad for someone who’s just a nice bloke.

That said once sorted you could become a force again,the table doesnt lie. - Spot on. The table doesn’t lie. The same table that will show you that should we win our game in hand (Huddersfield at home so it’s likely) we will be 2 points behind you in 2nd place. Would we then be a “force” again?

It seems that you are prematurely writing us off which is truly bizarre as you’d think people would’ve learned by now. No Saints fan is naive to think we aren’t quite at the races yet but nobody is really panicking yet bar the odd clown.

You seem to be setting yourself and licking your lips at the fact we are “shot to pieces” and no longer a force. Genuinely you’re just setting yourself up for a fall. I seem to recall last season you telling us Wigan would win the double too and look how that turned out. Why any fans of any club boldly write off their rivals like you are doing I will never know. Especially when said rival is still the team to beat in the eyes of most people with half a brain.

I think Jason knows Saints are still a team to be taken extremely seriously. Things don’t last forever and I think the week to week intensity you’ve played at for years may well have gone but as we’ve seen with Leeds teams of the past, Wigan teams of the past etc, that doesn’t really matter ‘if’ you can raise it when it matters. That group of Saints players know the levels they can reach and I’d be surprised if they don’t hit them when needed. It’s then up to the other teams to see if they can beat that.

Thanks for the reply Stu,
I did think you wouldnt win anything last year as I thought Wigan would (50% right )
I do think Saints are struggling and will win nothing with the problems they have (which you all agree)
Sorted the could win the lot as could Wigan etc.
I did say Wigan could win the double last year (50% right)
I never said Farrell was shot (I know you said Fans)
I also said it will be fun in a couple of weeks time,cant wait.
Like the way you said some luck with injuries that applies to us aswell.

Course I think that NiickyKiss,but I think Wigan will have something to say re this season.

So now you’re taking us seriously? But earlier we were shot to pieces as a force.

Which is it?

So do I mate. Saints still worry me greatly but I’m sure we’ll be worrying them as well. We’ve certainly come a fair way in some Saints fans estimations since the days of ‘you wouldn’t get a single player in a combined 17’ when I read about the place.

You are shot to pieces at the min but did you read what I actually put down.
Sort out your issues and you will be ok I said that and you did agree that you have problems at the club,your actually arguing with each other on the pitch for a start.

I know,now we could get 1 maybe 2 lol,

You refer to our “lucky” win over Salford in the SF last year yet blatantly don’t reference the fact you were 2 mins away from losing the CC Final in a game where Hudds were largely the better side overall? Can’t have it both ways

I can have it both ways,as one was a foul the other by a fantastic finish by a player who outpaced your backline.

I’m talking about the Final not the SF.