I did think that it might be the best strategy to attack one of the Leigh and Leeds games and just throw the other one and play the reserves. Wouldnt have been palatable to some but may have been the best move.

Far from over, as you say, the "fatigue management" could have been better and I'm sure Peet and team will learn from this. We seem to be stuck in playing an arm wrestle game when a couple of bits of magic could loosen their defence and give the hard workers a bit of breathing space.

Well, if we win 2 trophies a year for the next 7 years, I'll be more than happy.

As for Briers; do you mean like Warrington and Brisbane were/are unstoppable? Don't forget he's only achieved anything at Wigan so far.

We definitly seemed to get dragged into playing one way and not being able to break out of it. We do not seem able to throw the ball around and drag defenses out of position. A startlng lack of any creativity on show today - so much posession in the first half but we did absolutely nothing with it and never looked like scoring. Add in some one sided ref decisions (the Martin drama award when Keighran was sin binned was ludicrous) and yet again a riduculously slow ruck and we were going nowhere.

Why is it Yorkshire teams always seem to have their best game of the season against us (Hull now Leeds)?

We looked tired and disorganised and some players (Hampshire, Keighran, Miski) look so very far off the pace , but then many today looked poor.

Smith picks up a ban we are really struggling - maybe Farrimond at 7 with Leeming at 6 and Forber in at 9? Hampshire has probably played himself out of the team on that perfromance - if he gets another chance it is only because Smith is out.

Hahaha when you wake up in the morning after your come down you are going to be so embarassed

What a pathetic person you are

Brisbane were pretty good in Briers' early days there. But they've lost good players (Herbie, Tommy Deardon), have a weaker squad now, and a lot of injuries, and they're struggling.

Forget the shield, just get everybody (bar O'Neil) fit and rested come September

My issue is with the fatigue management.

Ellis is a great player, but he is clearly struggling.

We send Eseh on loan and play Hill in the reserves.

Mago and Byrne played limited minutes…yet we one again batter out middles and give them 2 hardly any minutes.

If that chase by Keighran is him in full flight it’s a concern, if he’s carrying a knock why the hell does he start when we have Eckersley on the bench.

Some whoppers can have a pop at the ref.

This situation though is fully of our own making in my option with very poor use of the squad we have available.

Will remember the quotes about our coaching staff at the end of Grand Final night.

I will agree though that I think some Wigan fans are now starting to understand how good King was for us and the way we play the game.

I’m starting to think he may be the strange little fella who started having a pop at me on Facebook on a Wigan page saying he knew me off here.

Odd little bloke without a game of rugby in him but very aggressive for no real reason.

One thing I do know. Games a lot better without people like him.

Sorry Jon I don’t get this obsession with King. He isn’t a centre in the classic mould of Wardle and i his suspect that his current salary far exceeds probably that of any other centre in SL
For me he’s a limited athlete who can trundle it in with a little or no finesse.
Personally I want a centre to be foremost an attacking threat.
King would have made jack difference today to the outcome.
For me we looked like a team looking for an excuse of tiredness. The coaching staff need to change the teams attitude and be more positive rather than feeling sorry for the game schedule. Peet’s latest interviews on Wigan tv have a bit low key and too downbeat.

Along with the loss of Briers King has been a huge loss to Wigan nd the way they play..Keighrqn simply isn’t in the same league as king

Totally agree.
I can only assume that Peet mustn’t think that Eseh isn’t ready and that Hill needs nurturing in the short term.
With Cooper presumably an occasional to non existent starter, Byrne and Mago not trusted for more than 10 minutes soirées our forwards strength in depth is a bit of a misnomer.

King is the most overrated and overpaid centre in SL. He would have made zero difference to today’s result.

Our game is 100% based on meter gains from our outside backs.

King isn’t World Class, but he carried hard won contact, got quick play the balls and got us on the front foot.

He is twice the player in the Wigan system that Keighran is.