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| Quote jonh="jonh"So because they did not play proves we did not miss them? Where is the logic in that?
I will counter in saying they were missed massivley and we would have nilled them and put 60 on the board ourselves.
You cannot prove or disprove it either way. Its pure specullation on how we would have gone had they played on either side of the argument.
All it does prove is we beat Saints on the day with the team we had on the park, no more no less.'"
It's simple. Where they missed, yes or no? look at the score, the game and give a yes or no answer. |
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"Where are these young players who are coming through? They are not getting any SL games are they?
So what happens in 2010 when Bailey leaves? We start the season with one of the two 2nd rows being a young player with zero SL experience?
Even I don't think Noble is that daft.
What if one of Bailey or Hock gets injured? Would Noble be daft enough to risk a cup run or our season on a young forward with no experience? Lets not forget these are forwards not backs. The job is physically much tougher than for the likes of Ainscough and Sam Tomkins.
Hansen may not have been missed v Saints but to suggest he is surplus to requirements because we have young players coming through is just daft.
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"Daft to let Hansen take the spot of players who are coming through who are better'"
They are not coming through. For them to be coming through they would be getting games in the first team now fairly regularly on the bench at least. They are not. They have no SL experience and until they play SL you are in no position to say they are better players and capable of taking his place in the team.
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"It's simple. Where they missed, yes or no? look at the score, the game and give a yes or no answer.'"
Its not simple, its not a yes or no answer all we can do is speculate.
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"Hate to say I told you so but this is another performance when we've not missed Hansen.
People can bang on all they want about having him as a 'good squad player' but do we really need him as that with the younger backrowers coming through?
Nope.
And as I predicted did we miss Piggy? 38-18 against Saints makes me think no.'"
Your right get rid of Riddell and Hansen now, not good enough for Wigan and shouldnt play ever again. |
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| Quote jonh="jonh"Its not simple, its not a yes or no answer all we can do is speculate.
What is to say we would not have scored more and conceded less had they played?'"
It actually is. Don't let yourself get bogged down in the details and answer the question, we are concerned with the performance and the scoreline.
So once again, do you think Hansen or Riddell was missed? Did the team not do well without them? |
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"Where are these young players who are coming through? They are not getting any SL games are they?
So what happens in 2010 when Bailey leaves? We start the season with one of the two 2nd rows being a young player with zero SL experience?
Even I don't think Noble is that daft.
What if one of Bailey or Hock gets injured? Would Noble be daft enough to risk a cup run or our season on a young forward with no experience? Lets not forget these are forwards not backs. The job is physically much tougher than for the likes of Ainscough and Sam Tomkins.
Hansen may not have been missed v Saints but to suggest he is surplus to requirements because we have young players coming through is just daft.
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Hansen is ok for cover for now, but we have at least 3 good players all wanting a shot at the 1st team. |
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"It actually is. Don't let yourself get bogged down in the details and answer the question, we are concerned with the performance and the scoreline.
So once again, do you think Hansen or Riddell was missed? Did the team not do well without them?'"
Yes the team did well without them, the only way we would ever know if they were missed is to replay the game under the same conditions with Saints playing the exact same way but add them to the Wigan side.
We beat Leeds 2 years ago with Barrett out of the side and Coyle playing in the halves, we won, and played very well, so by your theory the fact we played well and Coyle was in the team meant that we did not miss Barrett and hence he was not needed?
I understand the point you are trying to make, but it is not as simple as saying they were not missed, simply that on this occasion the team played very well and they were not in it.
I do actually agree with you regards Hansen in that he is in serious danger of becoming surplus to requirements when his contract runs out, much in the same way it seems Bailey is becoming this year. |
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| Quote jonh="jonh"Yes the team did well without them, the only way we would ever know if they were missed is to replay the game under the same conditions with Saints playing the exact same way but add them to the Wigan side.
We beat Leeds 2 years ago with Barrett out of the side and Coyle playing in the halves, we won, and played very well, so by your theory the fact we played well and Coyle was in the team meant that we did not miss Barrett and hence he was not needed?
I understand the point you are trying to make, but it is not as simple as saying they were not missed, simply that on this occasion the team played very well and they were not in it.
I do actually agree with you regards Hansen in that he is in serious danger of becoming surplus to requirements when his contract runs out, much in the same way it seems Bailey is becoming this year.'"
I agree with your points. But consistently we'll do well without Hansen, we wouldn't without our main play maker Barrett.
Bailey is a solid player, like Hansen, but I want to see more from them to warrent their stay. A spell in the reserves for Hansen may do him good. |
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"I agree with your points. But consistently we'll do well without Hansen, we wouldn't without our main play maker Barrett.
Bailey is a solid player, like Hansen, but I want to see more from them to warrent their stay. A spell in the reserves for Hansen may do him good.'"
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| Quote alanpdodd="alanpdodd"We are doing quite well over the last few games without Barret.'"
I didn't realise Trent was still a player at our club that we had. |
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| Quote Last Son of Wigan="Last Son of Wigan"I agree with your points. But consistently we'll do well without Hansen, we wouldn't without our main play maker [size=150Barrett.[/size
Bailey is a solid player, like Hansen, but I want to see more from them to warrent their stay. A spell in the reserves for Hansen may do him good.'"
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