Yep, one area I guess we could learn from Leeds in - they haven't lost anyone decent to outside the competition really.

I've agreed with the majority of the clubs decisions since IL took over but they're not infallible you know. How boring would the forums be if we all just blindly applauded every decision on the basis that our club management made it?

Just a thought, and I'm not trying to have a go at IL or Wane because they're both doing an outstanding job, if their judgement was completely infallible, would we have signed Hock, Lauaki and Gelling? Wane seemed to very quickly fall out with all three over attitude problems, and two of the three showed clear warnings signs of that before we signed them.

I really hope this proves to be the change Long needs but 30odd years of him being a complete halfwit, despite being given opportunities others could only dream of, says otherwise.

Leeds' (and Warringtons') key players are too old to interest the Aussies. The rest (Hall and Watkins aside who despite his hard words will give Hetherington some grief in the near future) are good players but do a job that could be replicated by many others. We are the victims of our own developmental success and the perception in the outside world that Wigan are still THE club in RL.

Is it now established fact that Gelling and Lauaki have been sidelined because of attitude issues?

News to me, but I'm interested to know.

Gelling has been slated twice by Wane in the papers and didnt even get a game v Leigh. Lauaki is hearsay fair enough but it certainly does seem to be a very strong rumour

So what about this then:

"But most has no foundation and I can confirm Leeds Rhinos will not be selling any of our players to NRL clubs."

It's a straightforward and clear statement. We on the other hand have just sold two to the NRL. Granted Hock was finished here anyway so as O said earlier getting money for an unwanted player is hardly a failure but never the less there is a completely different attitude at Leeds than there is at Wigan.

Hethrington is obviously powerless to stop out of contract players going but it seems he won't be cashing in beforehand.

Lauaki and gelling attitude problems?? You know this for a fact do you? Or did you "hear it from a good source". Both have been out injured. Lauaki is still injured.

You speak of long as if he's a complete lunatic, most things in his book are just standard stupid things that most young lads do.

There is also a rumour, which is actually a bit more than a rumour, that they're both injured.

The key word here could be "selling".

Gelling is injured, not dropped after Wane slated him in the papers following the Wakefield game for "Not concentrating, and won't be playing for us until I see him concentrating"? News to me, but I'm interested to know.

Over the last few years, we've lost Harris, Lee Smith, Chev Walker, Jordan Tansey, Richie Mathers, even Danny Buderus and Dave Dohery to the NRL or RU, but we replaced them. The likes of Burrow and McGuire were approached by NRL clubs in their youth but chose to stay with Leeds, but the financial situation is much different now so who knows what might have been had they come through the ranks 10 years later.