I've said it many times...RL players are thick. Some thicker than others....but they're all thick.

It's not blaming his previous clubs, it's including them. You see the difference? No, of course you don't. As I said; Don't let it stop you...

I think the analogy works well for football e.g. Man City, but I don’t believe it crosses over to rugby league. I don’t believe people pump money into rugby league clubs for status, they do it for passion. Lenagan is a Scholes lad and Wigan fan. If not, he’d have probably made a more prudent investment.

If someone with passion and a lot of money wants to buy Wigan, fantastic. The point I’ve made in a number of comments is that these people are very very rare. Everyone wants Lenagan gone but without an idea of who would buy us.

I would like Lenagan to listen to offers ‘if’ there are good people, with the club at heart and the funds in place to drive us forward. If those people do not exist then I want something pretty simple and that’s honesty. I want Mr Lenagan to stop treating the fans with contempt, I want him to be honest about our financial position, I want him to be honest about arrangements for players leaving to come back, I want him to be honest about what deals are actually signed and which aren’t and I’d like some honesty on why a coach who continually brought success to the club under tough conditions suddenly decided he couldn’t go on. I can accept being skint and cutting costs if I’m told that’s the case. I can accept signing project players from the Championship and squad players from mid to lower end superleague clubs as long as they don’t try and bill them up as though we’ve signed the second coming of Gene Miles or Kelvin Skerrett.

I’ve grown tired over the years of the spin we put on absolutely everything. Ian Lenagan is a club legend for my money but it doesn’t give him the right to treat the fans as though they were born yesterday. The difference between the excited, fresh and driven chairman, who made it his business to make the fans feel included when he took over to the one who seems bored, distant and lacking the energy to try and drive us on is pretty staggering IMO.

Top post. I concur with virtually every word.

What is "The Wigan Way"?

Mud wrestling and pumping iron through the week, then dressing in your smart suit to go and sink 10 pints, brawl with anyone who comes near you, because you are far too important to speak to a common supporter?

Or

Treating your body as a temple, training hard in the right areas, increasing your pace, stamina and strength, skills work, going out with friends and family for a meal and perhaps saying hello to any fans who approach you for an autograph?

the latter, he says the players all expected that level also so you were in the if you didnt deliver that in training and the pitch. Off the pitch used to take care of its self really John Monie used to say he got phone calls of bar owners and he went and sorted it out.

Exactly. Radlinski mentions that the latter was the culture when he came in to the squad but under Millward it felt like the former and he ridiculed it. Fast forward to today and the culture under the leadership of Rads seems a long way away from what he feels should be the culture and appears to be what he doesn't like.

No way can you blame the club for his drink driving he was out in a car at 4.10 in the morning he is to blame and him only imo! The club can only do so much look at football and Rooney and all his night time activity no-one blamed United then !

What I'm saying is the players CANNOT be monitored 24/7 all the club can do is try and point players towards the lifestyle they should be living. There is no way you can stop these sort of things happening away from the club in players free time! What the Club CAN do is show a much firmer zero tolerance when players step out of line and if a player making a bad error in his life has underlying issues that have caused certain actions by all means help them. But if there's actions are just bad errors of judgement well then the players should know better and the book needs throwing at them and showing them that this kind of stuff wont be tolerated by the club!!

I agree, and that is the part that it doesn't appear is being done because too many players are going out and doing it.

We could have done with him at Leeds. He's not playing well but we've now lost Flower for quite a while as well.
I'd be curious to know what medical advice, if any, he was given after suffering concussion and possible medication against Wire. Surely he'd be told not to drive for 24 hours? Avoid alcohol for 24 hours? Just as a precautionary method for his own good? Maybe? Maybe not?