Agreed. And as I think it was you pointed out, Smithies always gets dragged into this conversation but only conceded 4 penalties last season. Hence when up before the disciplinary this season he only got one match. But past reputations seem to stick in some quarters.

Having said that, seems unfair to take the ankle injury into account regarding Lees. When Lockers high tackled Chris Annakin (sp) at Wakey a few years ago and he did his knee, their fans wanted him banned for a long period. Wasn't right then and it isn't now.

Re the Lees incident that carry came after a pen given for Wright's high shot on Ritson that he should have been at least sin binned for

doesnt make it right though does it

having seen it, i didnt think it was worth a D Grade and 2 games is about right

Isa has been handed 2 games for an almost perfect tackle, but he let go marginally as he dumped the player, so on one hand he's got off lightly, but as above think 2 is about right

The Smithies stuff is crackers. He mouths off a bit, no more and no less. His record in terms of penalties is fine. He’s been done by the disciplinary once or twice solely on the chatter that surrounds him IMO.

Isa is also branded as a thug for going in at 100% at times regardless of damage to himself -but he's only a small % of the equivalent from Saints where there are a good half dozen players you could say the same of.

I admire they way Saints keep their level of intensity and commitment, it makes them so hard to beat even when they are getting outplayed and offering little in attack, but there is a (naturally) very one eyed way they have when branding us as thugs.

AS said previously, there is a fine line between intensity and recklessness and Saints have frequently overstepped it the past few seasons.

In fairness Isa gets called that because of that game where he proper lost his head against them a couple of years ago. Other than that I think his aggression and control have been pretty decent.

Definitely a conspiracy

According to Redvee he's just really clumsy or frustrated

Throwback of a challenge, the like of which you’d see on a regular basis in the 80’s and early 90’s. If a player with a clean record did that, I’d expect 3-4 games, so with Knowles crime sheet resembling my kids Christmas list, he’s probably looking at a game or two more.

Sheer stupidity from Knowles tonight 40 seconds left and he does that

Stupid from Knowles and I’d have no complaints or sympathy with a 3-4 game ban.

He’s slowly turning his reputation from being comfortably the best 13 in Super League 18 months ago to a good player but an expensive liability at the moment.

He needs a long hard look at himself.

Really not sure where this narrative is that all the Saints fans are defending him.

Practically every post I’ve read on RedVee and social media slates him.

He’s an absolute idiot. I’d fine him if it was up to me. At the very least he needs to come out with an apology for letting the club and fans down.

20 seconds to go, game won and he chases across the pitch to put a big hit on and gets it wrong. Just not necessary whatsoever.

Apart from the one Jukesays mentioned?

You're right, most people are saying he was stupid and deserved it. What about the other 9 matches (7 with the pathetic GF appeal) he's served suspensions in?

Since September last year he has played 14 games and missed SEVEN with suspension. That could quite easily even itself up very soon. Are we allowed to say he's nothing but a thug yet, or are Saints still being refereed differently?

You’re allowed to say what you want