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| Quote: NickyKiss "Well we can't complain about any other clubs players 'getting off' in future. That is a poor decision by the RFL which has been made because of the game we're playing in coming up.
I'll take it though.'"
I think that is a reasonable take on things, in truth most fans of any team would see it that way if it was their player. The real problem here is that Silverwood did not deal with it properly at the time.
I will confess that on Friday evening I was adamant that it was a clear red card, in hindsight I can see why it was not, but I cannot see any way it was not a sin bin. The challenge was very late, really ridiculously late, but Scott Grix was unhurt . It was not an attempt to injure, but it was a cynical attempt to prevent a dangerous situation developing.
I think the correct sanction for that should be the same as deliberately lying on after a break preventing a quick next play, 10 minutes in the bin. Had Silverwood given that decision there would be no fuss. The poor decision was not from the disciplinary panel, but by the ref on the night.
Forget about the teams involved on Friday, that moment has passed, but cynical late challenges should be punished by sin binnings otherwise it will be open season on players like Scott Grix, Blake Green etc. and none of us want that.
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| The disciplinary notes sensibly state what actually happened and consequently a sensible decision was made. It is a good job the disciplinary don't use comments and views from this thread!
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| I think the disciplinary panel treated the incident more as obstruction than as a head high tackle. Bowen did have an open hand as opposed to a clenched fist and he didn't look as if he was trying to injure Grix, but just obstruct him. Having said that he has been lucky to get the decision of "penalty sufficient" In reality Silverwood shouldn't have copped out and put it on report. He saw the incident clearly and should have put Bowen in the sin bin for a late tackle on the kicker.
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| Obviously as a Wigan fan I am over the moon with this decision. As a rugby league fan I am hugely disappointed. First game of season The RFL could have sent a clear message out by issuing a 3 match ban, instead they have bottled it. For whatever reason.
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| Some leniency has clearly (and wrongly) been shown to avoid a ban for the WCC. But a non-suspension would have been more acceptable if the ref had shown some bottle at the time and sent Bowen to the sin-bin. On-report is becoming far too much of a cop-out response and the refs need to start taking more onfield action. It needs to be made clear exactly what kind of offences are worthy of a sin-bin and which ones result in a sending off. It seems like the refs don't always know what to do and putting incidents on report to be retrospectively dealt with is the easy option.
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| Closed fist, open palm, bounced up. People can dress it up how they wish but an obstructive high shot is an obstructive high shot. Good to see some Wigan fans disagreeing with the decision. Kudos!
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| Quote: theblondebomber "Closed fist, open palm, bounced up. People can dress it up how they wish but an obstructive high shot is an obstructive high shot. Good to see some Wigan fans disagreeing with the decision. Kudos!'"
you have just made that up. Surely its just counted as a professional foul? i think he should or received a 2 game ban for super league games and not a friendly and a WCC game.
Most people who have played the game would have been in that point where your committed for a tackle but realise the ball has gone and you have a brain snap and carry through with the tackle. It was naughty of bowen i don't think it could have ever really hurt grix it was more of a close line than a swinging high arm.
Nothing like the Meli Incident that was just sickening to watch
Nothing like the Hep cahil, that was massively mistimed and misjudged even if it was an accident. have to have some control if your trying to land a free hit or thats exactly what happens a 15stone bloke plus ends up taking somebodies head off at high speed with a shoulder.
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| Quote: dubairl "you have just made that up. Surely its just counted as a professional foul? i think he should or received a 2 game ban for super league games and not a friendly and a WCC game.
Most people who have played the game would have been in that point where your committed for a tackle but realise the ball has gone and you have a brain snap and carry through with the tackle. It was naughty of bowen i don't think it could have ever really hurt grix it was more of a close line than a swinging high arm.
Nothing like the Meli Incident that was just sickening to watch
Nothing like the Hep cahil, that was massively mistimed and misjudged even if it was an accident. have to have some control if your trying to land a free hit or thats exactly what happens a 15stone bloke plus ends up taking somebodies head off at high speed with a shoulder.'"
Are you seriously suggesting Bowen was committed before realising that Grix didn't have the ball?? Grix ran about 5 metres without the ball before he got to Bowen.
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| I think you are being overly kind to Bowen there. He could have easily pulled out, he moved in to it (I don’t want to say jump because he didn’t leap but he was 100% moving in to it not pulling back) it was high, stiff arm to the neck of a player who hadn’t had the ball for a couple of seconds.
It was a late, high, unnecessary illegal hit on a player that didn’t have the ball, there is no mitigation, no excuse for it. It was poor. A few games would have been the right decision.
Ryan Bailey does that to Charnley and people would be demanding 5-6 matches.
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| There was no way in the world he was going to get banned with the WCC coming up. The RFL always go soft in the run up to big games.
If he'd done that mid season he'd have rightly been banned.
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Are you seriously suggesting Bowen was committed before realising that Grix didn't have the ball?? Grix ran about 5 metres without the ball before he got to Bowen.'"
Not at all, What i am saying is he is committed him self to tackling grix but has had a brain snap when the ball has gone and he realised it but has already committed him self to it and instead of just pulling out altogether he has got it completely wrong and clotheslined him. I know thats happened to me in a game when i was younger (although i didn't clothesline him haha).
Its defiantly a ban probably 1 game with an EGP, but if the system was set up correctly i think that would have been applied. Its harsh to ban a player for a WCC for something silly like that he should serve a suspension in a super league game. I hope the RFL change the rule even for challenge cup matches.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "I think you are being overly kind to Bowen there. He could have easily pulled out, he moved in to it (I don’t want to say jump because he didn’t leap but he was 100% moving in to it not pulling back) it was high, stiff arm to the neck of a player who hadn’t had the ball for a couple of seconds.
It was a late, high, unnecessary illegal hit on a player that didn’t have the ball, there is no mitigation, no excuse for it. It was poor. A few games would have been the right decision.
Ryan Bailey does that to Charnley and people would be demanding 5-6 matches.'"
read my post to YG.
And we all know ryan bailey wouldn't have slapped a player it would have been a swinging arm just like the other naughty players in the game.
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| Quote: dubairl "read my post to YG.
And we all know ryan bailey wouldn't have slapped a player it would have been a swinging arm just like the other naughty players in the game.'"
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| Quote: dubairl "Not at all, What i am saying is he is committed him self to tackling grix but has had a brain snap when the ball has gone and he realised it but has already committed him self to it and instead of just pulling out altogether he has got it completely wrong and clotheslined him. I know thats happened to me in a game when i was younger (although i didn't clothesline him haha).
Its defiantly a ban probably 1 game with an EGP, but if the system was set up correctly i think that would have been applied. Its harsh to ban a player for a WCC for something silly like that he should serve a suspension in a super league game. I hope the RFL change the rule even for challenge cup matches.'"
I don't like that club bans can be used in international matches, particularly friendlies, but I think it's difficult in RL to implement bans that only count in one club competition. It would be unfair to miss out on a WCC because of one incident (though Jeff Lima did in 2011 after Wilkin's "sir, sir that man was nasty to me"icon_wink.gif, but what would happen if a player was in the middle of an 8 game ban or similar. Could you really justify a system where someone is in the middle of a long term SL ban for serious breach of discipline but could then be allowed to play in a WCC or CC final, for example?
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