You're right, we're a total one man team.

To look at things from the other perspective, what have most fans thought of our form for about 3/4 of our games this year? It seems form has improved since Leuluai moved to 9, or at least performances have.

Mcllorum didnt have the best of games on saturday but i'd rather have him in our team than not. Just look at him in the GF last year. He tackles anything, is great defensively, and will give his all. Just unfortunate he is being compared to a world cup and 4 nations winner. Not scared of anybody either.

Did I mention that you had said this?

Personally not comparing him to anyone, just feel we lack any direction when he is on the pitch.

Yes he has his good games, but they are few and far between.

Many hookers get slated for being one trick ponies in SL, but because MM is not a scooting expert he seems exempt from this criticism yet generally when anyone praises him on here it is for defence and heart......not enough for such an important player.

I agree to some extent. He's definitely not the best we could get. My biggest criticism of McIlorum has been his lack of consistency, but since Leuluai has moved to hooker it now looks like a lack of talent given that he's regularly out-shined. (I'm saying it looks like that, not that that is actually the case)

McIlorum's had good games but the last time I really saw him stand out in terms of all round performance was against Harlequins where he destroyed them, but he only played one half.

There's also not much consistency in his attacking performance during games. He'll make a good attacking run from dummy half then pass to the floor or be too slow with his distribution. It can be frustrating because if he could improve his attacking ability he could become a dangerous player.

There's no faulting his defence and his willingness to defend and that's why he's able to play at a high level, but there just seems to be a lack of input in attack which leads me to believe he could be at risk of losing his place to the likes of Tomkins or Carberry in the near future.

Is this forum real lol

trying your hardest and tackling like a terrier doesn't make a top class Hooker, he has is very mediocre in attack, he rarely breaks a tackle, he doesn't seem to have a sneaky side step or an inside pass, we are the champions we should be ruthless not sentimental, keeping a player because some fans like him don't really work does it, just look at the Feka situation and if some remedial person accuses me of comparing MM to Feka do yourself a favour and give your head a shake, you never you might hear it rattle

Bloody 'ell McIllorum!

New scapegoat?

Looks like it now that Lima & Finch have found their feet.

I wonder how someone as poor as MCIlorum could get a place in the England elite train on squad? Obviously better judges than most on here think that he has something to offer.

Everyone else was injured weren't they when he played in the Exiles game?

Steve McNamara?

I can't believe I've seen at least three people saying they would take Scott Moore over him. Trust me, if you watched him every week, you wouldn't.

I dont rate McIlorum but I would rather have him over Moore!

Mickey Higham was better than MM and he was never Wigan standard, tacklining don't mean poop when his main job is to get the forwards on a roll which is something he does do