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| Quote: Coventry Warrior! "Anyone who is comparing Tomkins to McGuire needs their head testing. McGuire is a good support player end of! Sam is the complete player and has already surpassed what McGuire has achieved in his two years as a first team player.'"
Eh? Tomkins has achieved more? No he hasn't Fact! He will do well to achieve half of what Mcguire has. Look you can argue all you want but the facts are there, Tomkins has a long way to go. Tomkins record just doesn't stand up to Mcguires and I doubt ever will.
I would like to know what you judge as an achievement
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| Quote: Rugbylad7 "Eh? Tomkins has achieved more? No he hasn't Fact! He will do well to achieve half of what Mcguire has. Look you can argue all you want but the facts are there, Tomkins has a long way to go. Tomkins record just doesn't stand up to Mcguires and I doubt ever will.
I would like to know what you judge as an achievement'"
Tomkins has actually achieved more over the last two years than mcguire has over the last two years lol
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| Quote: Rugbylad7 "Eh? Tomkins has achieved more? No he hasn't Fact! He will do well to achieve half of what Mcguire has. Look you can argue all you want but the facts are there, Tomkins has a long way to go. Tomkins record just doesn't stand up to Mcguires and I doubt ever will.
I would like to know what you judge as an achievement'"
Some one can be judged the best player in the world Stacey Jones for example and have no medals to show for his personal achievments. Team sports reward teams. Individual awards could be considered a better a gauge on how good an individual player is compared to his contemporaries.
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| Quote: Rugbylad7 "Crazy comment this one, you obviously haven't seen him play much because to say Mcguire is just a support player is ridiculous, yes one of his great attributes are that he's the best support player in the game and started off mainly as one but has deleloped his game and is now a very good half back who creates loads of oportunities for team mates, his short kicking game is good and his eye for a gap is second to none. To say he's just a support player I think is very unfair.'"
The thing that impresses me most about Maguire is his defence.
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| You only have to look at Fridays game to see that Sam dragged us back in to that game in the last 10 minutes when he was clearly told 'Sam get up in to that line and get us back in to the game'
He scored a great individual try and then made a cracking break for Joel/Faz to win a penalt between them to then score the leveller himself.
Long may he be in a Wigan shirt.
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| Quote: Rugbylad7 "Eh? Tomkins has achieved more? No he hasn't Fact! He will do well to achieve half of what Mcguire has. Look you can argue all you want but the facts are there, Tomkins has a long way to go. Tomkins record just doesn't stand up to Mcguires and I doubt ever will.
I would like to know what you judge as an achievement'"
It's not that difficult, even for you.
Individual achievements are judged by individual awards and selections; team achievements are judged by trophies.
Yes, Mcguire has acieved more over a much longer career, but we can easily and fairly compare them at the same stage in their career, and when Danny was Sam's age he'd achieved nothing.
Sam, by contrast, has 2 YPOTY awards and 8 international caps.
If I could be bothered, I'd total MoM awards too, and would be prepared to bet Sam has more of those than Danny did at age 21.
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| McGuire has been a great player for Leeds and Sam is fantastic for Wigan.
Unfortunately, Danny has been unable to step up at international level and Sam didn't break any pots in last year's 4 Nations.
If, in the future, Sam makes a hit at international level he will prove himself to be the better player. I don't think Danny will play at that level again.
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| Quote: Salty "McGuire has been a great player for Leeds and Sam is fantastic for Wigan.
Unfortunately, Danny has been unable to step up at international level and Sam didn't break any pots in last year's 4 Nations.
If, in the future, Sam makes a hit at international level he will prove himself to be the better player. I don't think Danny will play at that level again.'"
Danny will definately play for England again at 6 with Tomkins playin 1 or 7, could be a good partnership
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| Quote: Deano G "That would be django then!
All I was doing was pointing out the obvious - that Tomkins is a better player now than McGuire was at his peak. No criticism of McGuire, he was and is a good player but Tomkins is set to become a legend of modern RL (assuming he stays injury free). He has the potential to reach (and possibly surpass) the level that only KFC and Farrell in the SL era have reached, but he is already the best player in SL, as I said on another thread recently (well, unless Pat can rediscover his form from last season (
Oh dear, try actually reading what I wrote. I made no reference to either players ability.
What I said was that Sam Tomkins is the Wigan equivalent of Danny McGuire as they are both players neither set of fans would do without.
Where in that am I comparing their abilities?
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| Quote: The Ginger Pearl "Thats fine with us if your happy with Danny McGuire instead of Sam Tomkins, we are happy with Sam Tomkins instead of Danny McGuire. Everyone is happy
Well said!
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| Quote: django "Oh dear, try actually reading what I wrote. I made no reference to either players ability.
What I said was that Sam Tomkins is the Wigan equivalent of Danny McGuire as they are both players neither set of fans would do without.
Where in that am I comparing their abilities?'"
Oh dear, try reading what I wrote. I did not say you made reference to either player's ability.
I was accused by another poster of making a fatuous comparison. I didn't make the comparison initially - you did. I merely pointed out, the comparison having been made in terms of both players being highly thought of by their fans, that Sam Tomkins is the better player.
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| Quote: Deano G "Oh dear, try reading what I wrote.
Well, in that case I appologise. It read to me as if you were saying i'd made the initial comparison of their abilities.
It's nice to see, though, that you accept the initial comparison of their abilities was made by yourself.
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| Quote: django "Well, in that case I appologise. It read to me as if you were saying i'd made the initial comparison of their abilities.
It's nice to see, though, that you accept the initial comparison of their abilities was made by yourself.
Why wouldn't I accept that?
You made the point that you thought they were equally highly rated by their respective fans.
I made the point that Tomkins is a better player.
I guess the conclusion to be drawn is that Wigan fans have higher standards!
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| Quote: django "You didn't accept that point earlier.
No, the point I didn't accept was that I hadn't made the comparison between the players in the first place - you did.
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