Eh? Tomkins has achieved more? No he hasn't Fact! He will do well to achieve half of what Mcguire has. Look you can argue all you want but the facts are there, Tomkins has a long way to go. Tomkins record just doesn't stand up to Mcguires and I doubt ever will.

I would like to know what you judge as an achievement

Tomkins has actually achieved more over the last two years than mcguire has over the last two years lol

Some one can be judged the best player in the world Stacey Jones for example and have no medals to show for his personal achievments. Team sports reward teams. Individual awards could be considered a better a gauge on how good an individual player is compared to his contemporaries.

The thing that impresses me most about Maguire is his defence.

You only have to look at Fridays game to see that Sam dragged us back in to that game in the last 10 minutes when he was clearly told 'Sam get up in to that line and get us back in to the game'

He scored a great individual try and then made a cracking break for Joel/Faz to win a penalt between them to then score the leveller himself.

Long may he be in a Wigan shirt.

It's not that difficult, even for you.
Individual achievements are judged by individual awards and selections; team achievements are judged by trophies.

Yes, Mcguire has acieved more over a much longer career, but we can easily and fairly compare them at the same stage in their career, and when Danny was Sam's age he'd achieved nothing.

Sam, by contrast, has 2 YPOTY awards and 8 international caps.

If I could be bothered, I'd total MoM awards too, and would be prepared to bet Sam has more of those than Danny did at age 21.

McGuire has been a great player for Leeds and Sam is fantastic for Wigan.
Unfortunately, Danny has been unable to step up at international level and Sam didn't break any pots in last year's 4 Nations.
If, in the future, Sam makes a hit at international level he will prove himself to be the better player. I don't think Danny will play at that level again.

Danny will definately play for England again at 6 with Tomkins playin 1 or 7, could be a good partnership

Oh dear, try reading what I wrote. I did not say you made reference to either player's ability.

I was accused by another poster of making a fatuous comparison. I didn't make the comparison initially - you did. I merely pointed out, the comparison having been made in terms of both players being highly thought of by their fans, that Sam Tomkins is the better player.