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Apart from Ganson on Friday, I haven't seen anything from the refs to whinge about. Thought Bentham refereed it ok today. Tried to let the game flow as much as possible.

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It was a try. The only things that it could have been disallowed for are 'double movement', resulting in a Saints penalty, or 'held up' resulting in PTB on the 10m line. Seeing as we got the ball back on the try line on second tackle, then why exactly was it disallowed??? It certainly wasn't short, he was over the line and it was grounded. Absolutely baffled.

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LMS try wasn't a try either. It went over the line, yes, but only if you can score holding the ball with your knees!! And he knew it, because he acknowledged when I shouted that he'd dropped it!

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I said at the time that he had knocked on. When he picked it up to kick it into the crowd, he had to regather it from between his knees!

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No thoughts on the forward pass for the Richards try on the back of six penalties, or why he didnt have the to send Coley off for the high shot directly in front of him??

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Quote: Famous "The ref let Saints lie on the Wigan player an awful lot in the first 30 mins and generally let Saints get away with an awful lot around the play the ball.'"


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Quote: theres only one stan wall "No thoughts on the forward pass for the Richards try on the back of six penalties, or why he didnt have the rubbish to send Coley off for the high shot directly in front of him??'"


Which one of those penalties wasnt a penalty? Do you not think a Saints player should have also been sent to the sin bin, particularly Wellens, as a result of these professional fouls?

The Coley high tackle wasnt that bad at all as the Saints player was falling. I am confident there will be no case to answer.

The pass to Richards certainly wasnt any more forward than the one by Shenton to Lomax (I think) for his try in the first half.

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the ref wasnt a major issue for me today barring josh's try effort, that could have and should have been allowed and i was in the best position in the stadium to see it... barring that Wigan were frikkin Sheyte!!!! Finch didnt break sweat and carmont was dreaming.. dire!

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Quote: theres only one stan wall "No thoughts on the forward pass for the Richards try on the back of six penalties, or why he didnt have the rubbish to send Coley off for the high shot directly in front of him??'"


Well wellens the whiner should have walked.

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Which ever way you look at it, Cummings got that call wrong.

It should have either been a try, play the ball on the 10 or penalty for double movement. How in the world he came up with that call is beyond me - he was over the line?!!

I feel sorry for the full time refs if he's in charge icon_rolleyes.gif

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How can he disallow that Charnley try but not give a pen to saints? He got the ball down so to not give it he must have been looking at double movement.

The reffing across the games has been really poor. Hull were really hard done to at times, the ref was just guessing decisions!

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I think the ruling was that the tackle was complete (it clearly was - ball grounded and momentum stopped), then the 'shermozzle' that followed resulted in Charnley ending up over the Saints line.

Couldn't be a try (tackle complete), double movement would have been incredibly harsh as it didn't appear that Charnley made an attempt to propel himself over the line, and a penalty against Saints for interference would also have been harsh as there was no attempt to slow down play, they'd just thrown a lot of bodies in there to try to prevent the score.

Sensible way to restart play, IMO.

I saw a similar decision (I think it was a Hull Saints play off 5 years or so ago) where the tackle was complete then, as the Hull tackler was getting to his feet, he leaned on the ball carrier Tony Stewart (I think) who's head touched the whitewash as a result. Ref told him to get to his feet and play the ball.

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Quote: Famous "Which one of those penalties wasnt a penalty? Do you not think a Saints player should have also been sent to the sin bin, particularly Wellens, as a result of these professional fouls?

The Coley high tackle wasnt that bad at all as the Saints player was falling. I am confident there will be no case to answer.

The pass to Richards certainly wasnt any more forward than the one by Shenton to Lomax (I think) for his try in the first half.'"


Don't want to be provocative but; had too much to drink at the game?
Suggest you watch it on sky again when you are sober.

Unlike some of your fellow fans, your other comments are not worth discussing.

Thought it was a very close game similar to the good friday game except we just held out this time.
Next time who knows as there is not much between the teams IMO.

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For me two baffling referee performances were Gansons and Thalers!

Thought Bentham had a decent game, tried to let the game flow. Couple of 50/50 went for both teams. Charnley no try was strange because he wasnt given as held up! Grasping at straws if we are looking at Bentham to blame!

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Quote: justarugbyfan "Which ever way you look at it, Cummings got that call wrong.

It should have either been a try, play the ball on the 10 or penalty for double movement. How in the world he came up with that call is beyond me - he was over the line?!!

I feel sorry for the full time refs if he's in charge
Lets be honest, Cummings is only where he is after he was moved to avoid the uproar of his pally, matey behaviour with a certain lot of players. Once we found out that he had put himself in as video ref, we were on a hiding to nothing.
No wonder Saints had such a good winning streak with him and Ganson pulling the refereeing strings. icon_evil.gif

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