Yes, but they won't get a franchise for 2012 (and will get points deducted for 2011). Cas & Wakey must be rubbing their hands.

A shame really. Nice little away game on the doorstep for me.

I thought they made a bit of an impact in the Wrexham area and certainly saw plenty kids at the RU club with Crusaders gear when my son's team played them.

I don't think you can discount the current economic climate for being partly responsible for this. It's a tough time for all sports clubs that don't have rich benefactors, a large supporter base or some other steady income stream.

Dave

Shame after all the hard work, they are going in the right direction now though, this is just a remnant of the previously poor running of the club IMO back when they were "Celtic Crusaders".

Widnes for Crusaders.

Let's hope the Crusaders avoid admin, but this is just the latest example of the failure of the CC to achieve its objective, or rather the objective it had before the flat earth brigade hijacked it for their own misguided ends.

The pursuit by the level playing field nutters of their ridiculous and doomed dream seemingly at all costs threatens the long term survival of RL as a professional sport.

Definitely, Crusaders would have been fine if they could have spent a bit more cash on players.

exactly. They'd have been more competitive maybe but worse off money wise I don't know why the cap was even mentioned tbh. There's a few crusaders players I wouldn't mind though if they do go. But they won't someone will buy them move them to mid wales and the RFL will give them another license.

Crusaders should have spent what they could afford.
That's nothing to do with the SC just financial sense.
Every club is now permitted to spend up to £1.65m under the present SC rules whether they can afford it or not.
Looks like Cru have done just that!
The SC should be abolished and clubs forced to make a profit over a given period (2-3 years) and if they don't, bye bye Super League!

Wigan would have been kicked out last year then and Saints years ago!

Most clubs will have new stadiums in 2012 and then there will be a new TV deal done for 2012.
That is a competely new financial situation for most clubs and Super League.

We simply have to stop clubs spending more than they can afford and I'm just floating this one as a way of curtailing clubs that overspend.
Going forward the SC needs to go as we are seeing Union approaching our younger players in ever increasing numbers.
As every year after another defeat for our national squad it is obvious that we need better quality players and that we will have to pay them the going market rate if they are to come to Rugby League.
Those clubs that can afford to should be allowed to strengthen their squads as long as they don't overspend.

What does bother me is that the NRL are going to get rid of the SC and replace it by a system that's not money based. If this means that they get an even larger player pool to chose from when our RFL/SL are still playing around with the SC means we will be in even more trouble than we are now.
Every worthwhile player we have will be looking to move to the NRL or to extend their career by going to Union.

I don't necessarily disagree with some of your points, but the fact is that they are based on a fantasy RL world that doesn't exist.

RL clubs are not rich enough to directly compete with their union counterparts. If we raise the cap, they can raise theirs by more or ignore it. It's a red herring.

The cap as it stands allows the best players to earn very good money and forces clubs to run smaller squads packed with young, English players. This means that, rather than who has the richest benefactor, the single biggest source of competitive advantage for any SL team is their youth development. That is how we want it to be, because every club's success depends directly upon developing their own talent.

Who runs at a consistent profit anyway to warrant this cap increase? Leeds? Hull? Not many others, if any. Most clubs are losing money at the current cap level anyway, including Wigan I believe.

I'm not against incremental rises in the cap, what I do object to is this misplaced notion than abolishing the cap will suddenly improve the game.

I'd be interested to see clubs financial results and average attendances pre SC and post SC.

Interesting attempt at diversion, but as much of a failure as the CC.

Everyone knows that when the CC was brought in the sole expressed objective was financial stability. It was a very unsophisticated way of ensuring financial stability but at least the declared aim of it was a good one.

Then the flat earthers got hold of the CC and it became about dumbing down, reducing ambition to the lowest common denominator and reducing players' wages in real terms (a very significant reduction over 10 years and the fact that clubs have had no incentive to even increase income to keep pace with inflation is a disgrace) to the extent that the % cap has now gone... no one can now defend this joke of a system.

We aren't talking about a fantasy world but the grim reality and even more depressing future of the game under the CC.

Taking some of the other points here:

1. "We can't compete with union so we might as well pay our players peanuts" - no one is suggesting that if at the end of his contract with Wigan Leicester came in for Sam Tomkins Wigan would be able to compete financially. Of course we wouldn't and this is just not relevant to the CC debate. What is relevant is whether RL clubs can pay enough to young players to make the decision to leave the sport a bit harder....

2. "The clubs are virtually bust already and simply can't afford to pay any more". This is one of my favourite pro-CC red herrings. The obvious flaws in this argument are hilarious.

In itself it is an admission that the current system has failed utterly.

It betrays the lack of ambition of the pro CC flat earthers - we could have a better system of financial controls which properly protected clubs from overspending but encouraged growth.

Most disgracefully it ignores the fact that the CC has actually fallen in real terms very significantly. Wage inflation has been running at c3% a year on average over the last 10 years. Each £100 of wages in 2000 would be worth less than £74 in real terms today but the cap hasn't been raised.

Seems they're closer to resolving it now

What misplaced notion that abolition of the cap wouldn't improve the standard of the game.
We most certainly had a far better International Squad prior to the SC than we have now.
Prior to the SL & the cap we couldn't win a series but won one in three.
This last loss to the Aussies means we've won one of the last 15.
That's a dramtic decline.
We should be pushing the Aussies all the way with fourteen full time clubs but we are further away than ever.
Clubs that can afford to pay more in salaries should be allowed to do so.
If that means they can prevent our younger players going to Union then great.
Should it give the opportunity to bring over quality Union players to League, even better.
We have to do something to improve and get out of the going nowhere mess we are in.
If we want bettter quality players then we have to be prepared to pay them
the quality salaries they will require.
We can only do this by abolshing the cap.