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Quote: shambawangy "Real madrid and Athletico both play at the bernabau as another example

I suppose the FA could argue grass has a much longer growing season in Italy and Spain, therefore less wear and tear

Saying that there are loads of clubs in england that have football and rugby playing on them and their pitches are in great condition, so it wouldnt really hold up as an argument in court

If this did go to court any decent lawyer would rip FA's case to shreads'"

No they don't.

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Quote: Cruncher "I'm not sure what kind of legal precedent there is for a court upholding a situation where one party (the Premiership) has in effect blackmailed another party (David Whelan and Latics) into breaking the law by forcing them to tear up a legal and binding contract.

It's all very well saying "let's not start with the legal arguments", but most contracts, when put together by professional lawyers, are pretty sound. Okay, I haven't got the paperwork in front of me, but IL has surely proved that he's not an amateur when it comes to business practise, and he's the one who extended the deal on our behalf. I strongly doubt that any challenge to our status as long-term DW residents would be the 50-50 flip of the coin that you suggest. The odds are always going to favour those who've signed a legal document.

I've no love of Latics, and I mistrust David Whelan to some degree - and at the end of the day I don't care if they get relegated because they're not important to me or to Wigan - but I don't think we should really sit around worrying in case someone at the Warriors might have misworded a clause in the contract or something to that effect.'"



I agree all that's right in principle. In law it's a different thing. Without seeing the paperwork (and so making some assumptions) I can think of at least one justifiable challenge to our lease. Given a good legal team and the actual documents I'm sure there are others.

For those thinking the law is an asolute; it isn't. It is a living, evolving entity. If that were not the case we wouldn't have cases being tried and then overturned on appeal for example. In these cases at least one of the verdicts was 'wrong'. I say "at least" because both verdicts could be shown to be 'incorrect' by subsequent appeals or even different cases. Don't even get me started on cases such as OJ!! icon_lol.gif

There WILL be justifiable (in the legal rather than moral sense) challenges to our lease. Trust me on this. Whether they are successful or not is purely down to the courts. There are no 'givens' in this.

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Quote: Phuzzy "I agree all that's right in principle. In law it's a different thing. Without seeing the paperwork (and so making some assumptions) I can think of at least one justifiable challenge to our lease. Given a good legal team and the actual documents I'm sure there are others.

For those thinking the law is an asolute; it isn't. It is a living, evolving entity. If that were not the case we wouldn't have cases being tried and then overturned on appeal for example. In these cases at least one of the verdicts was 'wrong'. I say "at least" because both verdicts could be shown to be 'incorrect' by subsequent appeals or even different cases. Don't even get me started on cases such as OJ!!
I'm not sure how you can, given that, by your own words, you haven't seen the paperwork. In fact you don't offer any detail here that I can get my teeth into.

I'm well aware that the law is an ass, and that there are convoluted methods by which astonishingly unfair decisions can occasionally be reached. But it's all about the cost-effectiveness of such things. If Wigan's tenancy at the DW was challenged, the outcome could conceivably be the end of Wigan Warriors as a business entity, and a massive loss of jobs, income, etc. So you can be sure that Wigan, and probably Wigan Athletic, would fight it with everything they've got. We now should ask ourselves, are the PL really likely to enter some complex legal battle which may (in fact will probably) result in them having to pay out an awful lot of money? Possibly, but it can't be very likely, especially given that Latics are almost certainly going to be relegated some time in the near future anyway.

However, I'm not going to debate this to the point where it becomes an argument. I don't hold with this odd pious view some posters have that all Wiganers should automatically support the Latics. I don't, and I never have - so if (or when) they go down, it's tough but it's life.

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Quote: Cruncher "I don't hold with this odd pious view some posters have that all Wiganers should automatically support the Latics.'"


Who has actually every said that? You obviously think it's more than one.

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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Who has actually every said that? You obviously think it's more than one.'"


Talk about a raw nerve.

In our last exchange on this, you implied that it was deeply sad that so many Wigan RL fans didn't like Latics, and vice versa. I think you were supported, possibly indirectly, by one or two others. Bondi Warrior maybe.

My view is that it doesn't really matter. Nobody is required to support anybody, no matter which town they originate from.

Now, feel free to pick me up on the fine detail of posts past and present, but you'll be wasting your time. You asking picky questions and me having to answer them is not how it works.

I'm sure there are plenty of 'knuckle-draggers', as you'd call them, on this thread who you can have a bit of fun with. I'm rather surprised that you haven't done that already.

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Quote: Cruncher "Talk about a raw nerve.'"


How is pointing out you were clearly talking bollox, touching a raw nerve? In the context of the discussion you were having with Phuzzy it was a bizarre thing to say. You've been called out yet again for claiming things that clearly aren't true - the only nerve that seems to be touched is yours, that lead to say these things without the ability to back it up when it concerns the Latics.

Quote: Cruncher " In our last exchange on this, you implied that it was deeply sad that so many Wigan RL fans didn't like Latics, and vice versa. I think you were supported, possibly indirectly, by one or two others. Bondi Warrior maybe.'"


I've never done anything of the sort - so that's yet another thing you've got wrong.

Quote: Cruncher "My view is that it doesn't really matter. Nobody is required to support anybody, no matter which town they originate from.

Now, feel free to pick me up on the fine detail of posts past and present, but you'll be wasting your time. You asking picky questions and me having to answer them is not how it works.

I'm sure there are plenty of 'knuckle-draggers', as you'd call them, on this thread who you can have a bit of fun with. I'm rather surprised that you haven't done that already.'"


There's no need to pick up on the fine detail - you can't even back-up your main claim.

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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "How is pointing out you were clearly talking bollox, touching a raw nerve? In the context of the discussion you were having with Phuzzy it was a bizarre thing to say. You've been called out yet again for claiming things that clearly aren't true - the only nerve that seems to be touched is yours, that lead to say these things without the ability to back it up when it concerns the Latics.

I've never done anything of the sort - so that's yet another thing you've got wrong.

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To end this now before it gets boring for everyrone else.

Wigan / Leeds Andy on March 10thincredibly sad and immature."

"Sitting on both sides of the 'divide' I think those that have the chip on their shoulder about one thing or another to do with the other club are pretty pathetic,"

Not word for word, but more or less right. You were clearly making a moral judgement, which is the thing I took issue with. Case rested.

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Quote: Cruncher "To end this now before it gets boring for everyrone else.

Wigan / Leeds Andy on March 10thincredibly sad and immature."

"Sitting on both sides of the 'divide' I think those that have the chip on their shoulder about one thing or another to do with the other club are pretty pathetic,"

Not word for word, but more or less right. You were clearly making a moral judgement, which is the thing I took issue with. Case rested.'"


I heard of scraping the barrel but that's pretty desperate even for you.

Do you want to explain how that is eitherlike Latics"

I've emphasised the word like for you as you clearly don't understand what the word means.

When you said "Not word for word" you were certainly right. In fact "nowhere near and completely wrong" were the words you were obviously searching for to summarise what you said and have been completely unable to prove.

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Quote: Cruncher "To end this now before it gets boring for everyrone else.'"


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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "I heard of scraping the barrel but that's pretty desperate even for you.

Do you want to explain how that is eitherlike Latics"

I've emphasised the word like for you as you clearly don't understand what the word means.

When you said "Not word for word" you were certainly right. In fact "nowhere near and completely wrong" were the words you were obviously searching for to summarise what you said and have been completely unable to prove.'"


Let’s not split hairs too much (something you seem to thrive on).

In the post I quoted, you claimed that those RL fans who have issues with Latics are ‘sad’, ‘immature’, ‘pathetic’. In other words they’re ‘wrong’.

My view, which I hinted at in the post you picked up on earlier (when that raw nerve of yours got twanged again), is that every sports fan is entitled to like or dislike any club or team he chooses without moral obligation. They don’t need to offer justification, or even have a reason. It’s sport. So just deal with it and stop being so bloody self-righteous all the time.

Nice attempt to derail the thread, by the way. I think it worked.

PS to Catalancs. Sorry, you're right. It's now boring. But I've made my point as clearly as I can, so I'm gone.

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Quote: Cruncher "Let’s not split hairs too much (something you seem to thrive on).

In the post I quoted, you claimed that those RL fans who have issues with Latics are ‘sad’, ‘immature’, ‘pathetic’. In other words they’re ‘wrong’.

My view, which I hinted at in the post you picked up on earlier (when that raw nerve of yours got twanged again), is that every sports fan is entitled to like or dislike any club or team he chooses without moral obligation. They don’t need to offer justification, or even have a reason. It’s sport. So just deal with it and stop being so bloody self-righteous all the time.

Nice attempt to derail the thread, by the way. I think it worked.

PS to Catalancs. Sorry, you're right. It's now boring. But I've made my point as clearly as I can, so I'm gone.'"


Splitting hairs to you obviously means writing something completely untrue about what someone has posted then getting all defensive when someone asks you to prove it and you can't.

Still having problems with that "all Wiganers should automatically support the Latics" claim I see - there's a shock. No wonder you want to run away. icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Wigan/Leeds Andy "Splitting hairs to you obviously means writing something completely untrue about what someone has posted then getting all defensive when someone asks you to prove it and you can't.

Still having problems with that "all Wiganers should automatically support the Latics" claim I see - there's a shock. No wonder you want to run away.
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Defensive?

You're the one who charged in here all flustered and outraged when I mentioned the words 'odd' and 'pious'.

I didn't mention you by name, but hey, if the cap fits.

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Latics will stay up this season because Hull/Burnley wont get enough points to get past them.

Next season with Rodallega & N'zogbia gone, they will, all things being equal, go down. Along with West Brom & whoever comes up via the play offs.

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