No, so I'm an idiot because I don't share the same views?

Just because he has scored a few tries last season doesnt mean he is the b all and end all, i'm pretty sure Marsh and Charnley would have done the same as Goulding.

Ade Gardner used to score shed loads of tries and I never rated him either.

I reckon Marsh could become first choice winger in a few years as he has a lot more pace and better feet than Goulding.

I share this view.

Ade gardner has made a name for himself by having the priviledge of playing outside two of the worlds greatest centres in Lyon and Gidley. I will be interested to see how he goes outside Shenton who is a much more defensive minded centre than a creator for his wingman. A massively overated player in my opinion !!!!!

i dont belive so, the main problems from that side are in my opinion joel coming in leaving a massive gap between him and gleeson, this pulling gleeson inwards, leaving goulding (doing what he has always been told to and stay on the wing) in no mans land.

at least this is my opinion.

So you ARE the idiot that moans when a player scores?

Gleeson had 4 try assists all last season. For comparison, Carmont had 10.

Gardner is nothing more than a Sean Day for the SL era, except he can't kick.

Gouldings trys last season were pretty much handed to him on a plate but i'd say more by guys like Tomkins, Lockers and even Roberts then Gleeson. He's isn't a creative centre in George Carmonts mould.

I'm a big Gleeson fan but he isn't the player he was in attack and is nowadays just a rock solid option in defence that will cause some but not huge problems whilst attacking. He will be a loss in the short term but long term I really feel the side will be improved 'if' we use Josh Charnley there. He looks a fine prospect and in attack he's already proved he can match Gleeson stride for stride. It's in defence that the lad will have to prove his worth but that doesn't really worry me going off my limited viewing of him so far.

That is very poor for a centre and somewhat confirms what I have always thought about Gleeson, that he is a very selfish and greedy centre. It certainly shatters the myth that he is a wingers centre and that all of Goulding tries was because of Gleeson.

On Goulding, he has to perform twice as good as anyone just so that he doesnt get criticised from some posters on here and is always one of their scapegoats. They made their mind up about him a long time ago and nothing is going to change that and so the moment he has even an average match the knives come out. The worst thing is that some of them who are raving about Charnley and Marsh will probably do the same with them in a few years.

Goulding scored a lot of tries last year but he has always scored plenty of tries. Prior to this he still had a very good try scoring record at centre, despite being one of Noble's favourite scapegoats and despite being frequently in and out of the first team. He also scored a fair few tries at Salford in a poor team and scored countless at academy level. Therefore it is a bit false to try and make out that he has only scored loads of walk in tries last season and would normally never score. There is also a damn site more to his game than just scoring tries and it is a little patronising to suggest this is all he offers. If it was then he wouldnt get picked by Maguire especially after all of the analysis that the coaching staff do. He also wouldnt have been picked for England and wouldnt keep Pryce, Charnley, Marsh and Roberts out of the team.

Clone a 24 year old George Carmont

Gleeson's gone to Aus, apparently... www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... _1_3158485

Gleeson's gone to Aus, apparently... www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... _1_3158485

be careful uve mentioned his name! might get the thread locked!