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47035_1386433761.gif We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47035.gif |
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "Saints have had a total lack of direction and are playing one up football.
We can drive for yards and have shown at times we can defend well, but we're not coming up with any plays, however simple, to test the defences of the opposition. We don't drop much ball, we don't drop off the tackle to easily, but when it comes to [iplaying footy[/i we've got zero.
Remember the semi against you last year? When we had all that possesion but couldn't score in the first half? Well that is every minute of every week at the moment.
You can talk about us not having Cunningham and Sculthorpe, that may be why we're not taking home trophies, but that squad is easily good enough to be [icompeting[/i with the best clubs.
If a couple of players are below par, then you can critcise them. When a whole squad is failing to perform, I'm afraid you have to look at the coaching.
Lomax has come in for some flack. "Obviously not a scrum half" is the common one. I'm not sure if it his best position, but he won YPOTY from that position last year and I remember thinking he'd have made a better fist of it for England when I was watching Chase do it last year. You don't become a bad player over night.
Mike Rush is the highly rated coach, after impressing in various role with the club which included coaching the juniors. Cunnigham will help add clout and take some pressure off. They need to bring some half decent plays and re inject a little belief and we'll be twice the team.'"
Ah the monkey man speaks sense. This should be the full stop to all Royce threads.
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| Quote: Cruncher "That may go some way to it, but he'll need the technical know-how too.
Anyway, it doesn't matter too much. All the clever money seems to be on Brown taking over at the end of the year.'"
I suspect a lot of that money may have been misplaced (though I could be wrong). Rumours afoot that Justin Morgan may be a dark horse.......
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| Quote: Allez "I suspect a lot of that money may have been misplaced (though I could be wrong). Rumours afoot that Justin Morgan may be a dark horse.......'"
Not exactly an inspiring prospect,but he performed wel for HKR for a few years before things went stale.
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "Not exactly an inspiring prospect,but he performed wel for HKR for a few years before things went stale.'"
I've never really understood the respect that Justin Morgan seems to command. He's clearly a top bloke, but his coaching record in the UK is nothing special, and it's not like he didn't have quite a few good players while he was at Rovers.
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "Mike Rush is the highly rated coach, after impressing in various role with the club which included coaching the juniors. '"
Developing young talent and coaching at Superleague level are entirely different beasts.
According to George Riley's blog, Rush has already sought the advice of Daniel Anderson on what to do. I think that is very comforting. Not!
Quote: Offside Monkey "Cunnigham will help add clout and take some pressure off. '"
How will he do that exactly? He hasn't even gotten his coaching badges yet. Sometimes great players don't actually make great coaches and Keiron is totally unproven in this area. He may well inspire them or, because he played with so many of them, it may be very difficult for him to make the transition.
These guys have been put in charge because McManus knows they won't say no. As Rush said in his interview, he's done lots of different things to help out the club. Except, apparently, act as chef and accountant. Last week he was washing kit although God knows why he needs to be doing that at Saints. Doesn't Langtree Park/Cowley School have washing machines?
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Developing young talent and coaching at Superleague level are entirely different beasts.
According to George Riley's blog, Rush has already sought the advice of Daniel Anderson on what to do. I think that is very comforting. Not!
How will he do that exactly? He hasn't even gotten his coaching badges yet. Sometimes great players don't actually make great coaches and Keiron is totally unproven in this area. He may well inspire them or, because he played with so many of them, it may be very difficult for him to make the transition.
These guys have been put in charge because McManus knows they won't say no. As Rush said in his interview, he's done lots of different things to help out the club. Except, apparently, act as chef and accountant. Last week he was washing kit although God knows why he needs to be doing that at Saints. Doesn't Langtree Park/Cowley School have washing machines?'"
You're right - we're doomed. DOOMED!
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| This is royce simmons' fault and he's paid the price. He spent loads on a full back (Lance Hohaia) even tho his shirt position is 6 he is best at full back and they already have a experianced player there and that isnt where they needed the money to be spent. they needed a good prop or experianced half-back to replace sean long and James graham, who brought the team to success in recent years
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| Quote: barrysbarmyarmy "This is royce simmons' fault and he's paid the price. He spent loads on a full back (Lance Hohaia) even tho his shirt position is 6 he is best at full back and they already have a experianced player there and that isnt where they needed the money to be spent. they needed a good prop or experianced half-back to replace sean long and James graham, who brought the team to success in recent years'"
Who says it was Royces idea to bring in Hohia? It could be the chairmans.
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| The Hohaia singing, whoevers idea it was will prove a costly mistake IMO. I hear he was on the wane before he arrived and that was in his familiar position of fullback (a position he couldn't get a game in for NZ Warriors last year) whereas at Saints they're asking him to play halfback which is a position he's not played fulltime for years.
With an already experienced fullback at the club, young halfs and a world class hooker Saints needed an out and out halfback to boss the team about. They instead signed a utility when they have guys like that in Wheeler and even Lomax. If the right player wasn't available they should have sat on the cash.
It's the sort of signing we'd have made around 2005 which says it all really.
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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| Quote: NickyKiss "The Hohaia singing, whoevers idea it was will prove a costly mistake IMO. I hear he was on the wane before he arrived and that was in his familiar position of fullback (a position he couldn't get a game in for NZ Warriors last year) whereas at Saints they're asking him to play halfback which is a position he's not played fulltime for years.
With an already experienced fullback at the club, young halfs and a world class hooker Saints needed an out and out halfback to boss the team about. They instead signed a utility when they have guys like that in Wheeler and even Lomax. If the right player wasn't available they should have sat on the cash.
It's the sort of signing we'd have made around 2005 which says it all really.'"
So saints will be bottom of the table next season all year. Then they will bring in Brian Noble as coach, sign Dobson from Hull KR and Fielden from us and they will stay up and win the super league in 2017.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "I bet they don't.
Great Prediction !!!!!!!!!!!
All gone a bit quiet on this thread !!! ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote: glasgowsaint "Great Prediction !!!!!!!!!!!
All gone a bit quiet on this thread !!!
One swallow don't make a spring.... Interesting game next week for you... ![Wink icon_wink.gif](images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote: Wigan Peer "One swallow don't make a spring...'"
It makes a good night though.. ![Cool icon_cool.gif](images/smilies//icon_cool.gif)
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| Quote: Tar Heel "Saints have papered over the cracks for years. Think of the Long, KC and Sculthorpe era. They made very ppor players look like world beaters, players like Jonkers, Edmondson, Stankevitch, Gardner etc have pretty much done nothing since they stopped playing for Saints. It is no coincidence that they haven't won a trophy since all three were at the club.'"
What an ignorant post this is. Three players you mention there were all seriously injured and had to retire before they even got anywhere near there prime.
In addition, all the players you mentioned actually played representative Rugby League in their early 20's, so they can't have been that bad!
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| This thread ran its course 10 months ago. So why you had to go looking for it I don't know.
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