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Quote: odemwingie "We were in the game though. We will see if we can do it when it counts in the challenge cup final against saints
Only on the scoreboard. Leeds had 2 to 3 gears to shift up had they needed to in my opinion.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Rogues Gallery "And that is the dilemma.
Me and our mob have deliberated for hours and sunk gallons discussing it. Is it the coach, is it "mental toughness", is it "a leader", is it us and the pressure we put on the "team"

The truth is IMO it's a combination, but I do believe it's a confidence thing, and if we can string a few wins together we are capable of beating any of the teams.'"


It's true, confidence, mementun and experience have a massive impact and I beleive we will have all three come the end of the season. We are the most likely to challenge the top 2 in the play-offs.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: jonh "Only on the scoreboard. Leeds had 2 to 3 gears to shift up had they needed to in my opinion.'"


Maybe true but we still coult of done it at the end. All ifs and buts though.

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Quote: odemwingie "It's true, confidence, mementun and experience have a massive impact and I beleive we will have all three come the end of the season. We are the most likely to challenge the top 2 in the play-offs.'"



But surely confidence is the preference?

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: XBrettKennyX "But surely confidence is the preference?'"


Correct so by saying I think we will have all 3 by the end of the season I think we will be on a good enough run to gain some of this confidence you talk about icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: odemwingie "Correct so by saying I think we will have all 3 by the end of the season I think we will be on a good enough run to gain some of this confidence you talk about
You would expect we would have it by now though.......still we seem to lack it.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: jonh "You would expect we would have it by now though.......still we seem to lack it.'"


I wouldn't say we lack it completely, we looked really confident against Salford in the first 20 mins but because we had not played like that all season we didn't no what to do with the game to really take hold and put some real points past them. We lack composure more than confidence. We are at our best when we put both composure and confidence together as when we have a little bit of beleif and chance our arm we look a good side, but this has only happened a few times each game and when we have the composure to take the chances created we look a top 2 side IMO. Like I said before we are not as far off as some people pessimistically like to think.

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Quote: odemwingie "I wouldn't say we lack it completely, we looked really confident against Salford in the first 20 mins but because we had not played like that all season we didn't no what to do with the game to really take hold and put some real points past them. We lack composure more than confidence. We are at our best when we put both composure and confidence together as when we have a little bit of beleif and chance our arm we look a good side, but this has only happened a few times each game and when we have the composure to take the chances created we look a top 2 side IMO. Like I said before we are not as far off as some people pessimistically like to think.'"


I agree, a half, a Prop and a coach, job done.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: jonh "I agree, a half, a Prop and a coach, job done.'"


icon_lol.gif not quite I think we would of won 4 extra games had we just had Barrett in the side, maybe 5.

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Quote: odemwingie "

But we do not have Baz and more importantly we wasted him for much of his time here.

For someone who sits on the fence regards Noble i cannot help but notice the lack of splinters.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: jonh "But we do not have Baz and more importantly we wasted him for much of his time here.

For someone who sits on the fence regards Noble i cannot help but notice the lack of splinters.'"


What do you mean by your second comment?

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Quote: odemwingie "What do you mean by your second comment?'"


nothing off by it, just you seem to claim you are in neither camp on the Noble debate, which is fair enough, but yet seem to support him in most debates.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: jonh "nothing off by it, just you seem to claim you are in neither camp on the Noble debate, which is fair enough, but yet seem to support him in most debates.'"


It's true I am in neither camp. Read my other posts though and I have always said support whoever is at our club, we cannot get rid of them so support them while they are here, I said the same about Mathers. So when people say something against him, I will lightly defend him as he is our coach and we (I believe) should support him. I accept both sides though. If I had to be further to ones side I must say I am more towards the keep Noble side as I like consistancy and I don't think changing coach every 1 or 2 seasons is the answer. Different sport but look at Man United and Arsenal. Noble IMO has not done anything wrong but has kept us safe from relegation and taken us to 4 semi finals and over the last 2 years we have been the 3rd best team and are still the main top 2 challengers for the title IMO.

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Quote: odemwingie "It's true I am in neither camp. Read my other posts though and I have always said support whoever is at our club, we cannot get rid of them so support them while they are here, I said the same about Mathers. So when people say something against him, I will lightly defend him as he is our coach and we (I believe) should support him. I accept both sides though. If I had to be further to ones side I must say I am more towards the keep Noble side as I like consistancy and I don't think changing coach every 1 or 2 seasons is the answer. Different sport but look at Man United and Arsenal. Noble IMO has not done anything wrong but has kept us safe from relegation and taken us to 4 semi finals and over the last 2 years we have been the 3rd best team and are still the main top 2 challengers for the title IMO.'"


mate i am not criticising your stance just saying that i find it to be very pro Noble, but you seem to continue to back him while stating you are on the fence, which would indicate you do not sit on the fence.

Either way i respect your view.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: jonh "mate i am not criticising your stance just saying that i find it to be very pro Noble, but you seem to continue to back him while stating you are on the fence, which would indicate you do not sit on the fence.

Either way i respect your view.'"


Well I did just admit I am more towards pro Noble and have stated my reasons but I still am on the fence as we should support who is at our club as fans IMO. I am not pro Noble though but I will defend him as he is our coach not because I am just pro Noble. I am not also a fence sitter who has a sore cause they can't be bothered making a decision but because I believe this to be the best place to be within the debate.

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