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| I think that Saints have got to this position by a combination of reasons, some of them good planning, some forced by finances, but largely because in the cyclical nature of the game, it is Saint's turn to have some top youngsters, as it was for Wigan when Farrell Radlinski and co came through, and for Leeds when McGuire, Burrow and Mathers came through. The top teams will have times when the dice rolls in their favour, they have to make sure they capitalise on it when it is their turn. And then again, maybe we will get thrumped by Warrington, and the wonder kids will all flop..........
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| Quote DaveO="DaveO"But isn't that par for the course? As John Monie once said if you get two or three players from a champion U21 side that are good enough for the first team you are doing well? Hock, Hansen and Lockers are roughly the same generation of players. Goulding, O'Carroll, Presott and McIllorum are.'"
True enough, though I think the jury is still out on the last four you mention, they could go either way.
Quote DaveOIt is this season Noble has to prove he is interested in bringing these players on. Most people focus on Sam Tomkins but I think there are other players as well who need at least the odd game even if it just to show they are in the 1st team coaches plans. It is early days yet but has past record has not been good at doing this. Maybe a few bad results would force his hand but I'd rather it be planned rather than desperation if he does bring players into the side.
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If there are a few bad results I think there's even less chance of him blooding youngsters, he'll retreat even further into his shell, rather than trying to change it. Injuries may be the only chance they get.
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| Quote Broxy Music="Broxy Music"www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/feb/12/andy-wilson-wigan-st-helens-warrington-super-league'"
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| Quote Ancient & Loyal="Ancient & Loyal"The tone of that blog is so negative towards the club it's bordering on ridiculous in terms of bias.
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Isn't he a big Wigan fan too?
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| Quote Ancient & Loyal="Ancient & Loyal"The tone of that blog is so negative towards the club it's bordering on ridiculous in terms of bias.
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I agree. It is interesting though that this sort of thing is being written.
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| Quote fekafan17="fekafan17"one major reason wigan are not up to the level of leeds and saints on a consistent basis is the amount of overseas players and lack of chance for younger players who play in our team.
Ok, fair enough if you've got an aussie up to the standard of barret; who regardless of his nationality you would want in your team. However, i team is dominated by forreign players who for me arent at the level our team requires, bailey, riddel, phelps, smith just examples of players who i personally would rather have young british talent playing in that position.
Take leeds for example. Young Kallum watkins thrown into the deepend, but it paid off. Why dont wigan give the lines of young ainscough a chance and young talent like tomkins more a first team chance. starting over-rated, over-payed aussies week in week out we are never going to develop as a team. Signing a handful of players every new season isnt going to get us anywhere, it may work in football, but not in this sport. we need to build a homegrown squad and let them develop.
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| Sam Tomkins will play more games than Kallum Watkins this year.
Where do you think Watkins comes from?
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Sam Tomkins will play more games than Callum Watkins this years.
Where do you think Watkins comes from?'"
Manchester area?
I'm pretty sure he played his amateur Rugby at Latchford.
I disagree though, I think Watkins will become a regular this season.
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| Quote Alex BP'="Alex BP'"Manchester area?
I'm pretty sure he played his amateur Rugby at Latchford.
I disagree though, I think Watkins will become a regular this season.'"
The shame is, why can a 17 year old Watkins be old enough to become a regular when a 20 year old Tomkins appears not to be in Nobles eyes
Proof that if your good enough your old enough
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| Quote Alex BP'="Alex BP'"Manchester area?
I'm pretty sure he played his amateur Rugby at Latchford.'"
Correct.
So what is the point.
Shouldn't he be at Salford.
If we want equality and salary cap rules, shouldn't it apply to junior talent.
How good could Oldham have been with Harris , Sculthorpe x 2, McDermott O'Carroll, Eastmond etc.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Correct.
So what is the point.
Shouldn't he be at Salford.
If we want equality and salary cap rules, shouldn't it apply to junior talent.
How good could Oldham have been with Harris , Sculthorpe x 2, McDermott O'Carroll, Eastmond etc.'"
True.
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| Quote W!64N_ENTHUSI45T="W!64N_ENTHUSI45T"The shame is, why can a 17 year old Watkins be old enough to become a regular when a 20 year old Tomkins appears not to be in Nobles eyes
Proof that if your good enough your old enough'"
Watkins has played FOUR first team games for Leeds.
When they have a fully fit squad he'll be pushed back.
He's a Salford junior.
Why is he at Leeds.
MONEY.
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