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| I worry that Hanley struggles with the basics, not safe Under the high ball, loses control in contact and struggles physically. It’s a worry that he is considered the best option.
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| Quote: stpatricks "I worry that Hanley struggles with the basics, not safe Under the high ball, loses control in contact and struggles physically. It’s a worry that he is considered the best option.'"
He’s considered the second best option behind Bibby when we have Manfredi, Marshall, French and Field out.
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| Quote: jonh "He’s considered the second best option behind Bibby when we have Manfredi, Marshall, French and Field out.'"
But still the best available to fill a wing spot?
For York you had K Dixon who despite a lack of size has shown some pace and offensive threat during his career. I just haven’t seen anything from Hanley to suggest he will trouble teams. The only team he appears to cause problems for is Wigan.
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| Quote: stpatricks "But still the best available to fill a wing spot?
For York you had K Dixon who despite a lack of size has shown some pace and offensive threat during his career. I just haven’t seen anything from Hanley to suggest he will trouble teams. The only team he appears to cause problems for is Wigan.'"
Let’s sign 5 back up wingers. That makes sense.
Shouldn’t have signed Hastings to accommodate at least another 3 wingers on the cap to sit in the stands nearly every week for the duration of their time at Wigan.
Without an Academy comp last year and 4 others players out injured who would play normally he doesn’t get a game.
I wonder if any other team could rely on someone like him as backup when they had 4 other lads that can and would play wing ahead of him out injured.
He’s our 6th choice option tonight he showed some very promising touches, and the mistakes are a concern but he is playing before he is probably ready especially off the back of 1 game in 2020.
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| Job done for me. Loads of lads to come back, in the quarters of the cup and two from two in the league. This spell had the potential to be a huge banana skin but we’ve managed it pretty well. There’s a pretty big issue to fix with that go forward through the middle and hopefully an opportunity will crop up to fix that during the year but there’s enough in this side to go close in every company.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Job done for me. Loads of lads to come back, in the quarters of the cup and two from two in the league. This spell had the potential to be a huge banana skin but we’ve managed it pretty well. There’s a pretty big issue to fix with that go forward through the middle and hopefully an opportunity will crop up to fix that during the year but there’s enough in this side to go close in every company.'"
Genuinely a bit sorry for Clark tonight.
Thought he was our best prop in the preseason game.
Bullock isn’t doing it for me from the start, he does though impress later in the games, and I’m not saying Clark is the answer but it seems very odd he hasn’t had an opportunity especially when Clubb got a run tonight.
Clearly he’s doing something that Lam doesn’t like behind the scenes.
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| It was a professional performance against a spirited York side. I felt we had another couple of gears if we needed them but just went through the motions at times.
I find the continued OTT criticism of Hanley disappointing. If fit, Manfredi and Marshall are our wingers, Bibby (though he has played himself into contention) as backup then its possibly Hanley unless we shift a few players about. For a kid who’s played a handful of games. A kid who isn’t really ready for the first team having missed a year’s development is doing ok. Yes, he’s made a few errors but he’s done ok overall.
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| Wow the critism of Tony Clubb tonight is deafening, played 50 odd minutes, scored a try all in all a good first hit out, enough to make the 17 next week?
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| Quote: nidger "Wow the critism of Tony Clubb tonight is deafening, played 50 odd minutes, scored a try all in all a good first hit out, enough to make the 17 next week?'"
He went well....but so he should in games like that.
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| Quote: jonh "Genuinely a bit sorry for Clark tonight.
Thought he was our best prop in the preseason game.
Bullock isn’t doing it for me from the start, he does though impress later in the games, and I’m not saying Clark is the answer but it seems very odd he hasn’t had an opportunity especially when Clubb got a run tonight.
Clearly he’s doing something that Lam doesn’t like behind the scenes.'"
Bullock is frustrating the life out of me. I maybe rate him too highly but I look at his size and pace and see a guy that should be playing for England. He should trample all over York tonight, much in the same way that you’d expect Walmsley to do for Saints but he just plays within himself. I don’t know if it’s belief, confidence or him just not having the mentality/attitude to go out and blitz teams but he should be a top top player for me. I thought he took a couple of steps forward last year but his Grand Final performance frustrated me. The pressure of playing in a final looked like it got to him and Saints dealt with him comfortably. He needs to see a big game like that as an opportunity to go up another level or two.
I’d keep rotating these props over the next few weeks. I don’t think any of them have nailed a spot and I don’t think there’s a huge quality difference between any of them. I hope Lam is incredibly harsh with the lot of them and makes it clear any drop off in performance risks losing your place. The younger ones are doing pretty well and the senior ones have been ‘ok’ but they all have more in them.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "Bullock is frustrating the life out of me. I maybe rate him too highly but I look at his size and pace and see a guy that should be playing for England. He should trample all over York tonight, much in the same way that you’d expect Walmsley to do for Saints but he just plays within himself. I don’t know if it’s belief, confidence or him just not having the mentality/attitude to go out and blitz teams but he should be a top top player for me. I thought he took a couple of steps forward last year but his Grand Final performance frustrated me. The pressure of playing in a final looked like it got to him and Saints dealt with him comfortably. He needs to see a big game like that as an opportunity to go up another level or two.
I’d keep rotating these props over the next few weeks. I don’t think any of them have nailed a spot and I don’t think there’s a huge quality difference between any of them. I hope Lam is incredibly harsh with the lot of them and makes it clear any drop off in performance risks losing your place. The younger ones are doing pretty well and the senior ones have been ‘ok’ but they all have more in them.'"
I think we’re relying on Bullock to be our Alex Walmsley or Liam Watts when the simple fact is he’s no more than a Kyle Amor or Jason Clark; solid and will take in drives and tackle well but won’t be anything special. Singleton is in that bracket for me too which is fine, all squads need steady solid props but squads also need your metre makers abs big minute props ala Walmsley or, harping really back, Fielden in his pomp.
Bullock looked like he could have been that prop for us once upon a time, I sure had high hopes for him but we’ve got to place him in the bracket he actually belongs in. We’ll stop being as disappointed then once we accept him for the prop he is.
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| Quote: Trainman "It was a professional performance against a spirited York side. I felt we had another couple of gears if we needed them but just went through the motions at times.
I find the continued OTT criticism of Hanley disappointing. If fit, Manfredi and Marshall are our wingers, Bibby (though he has played himself into contention) as backup then its possibly Hanley unless we shift a few players about. For a kid who’s played a handful of games. A kid who isn’t really ready for the first team having missed a year’s development is doing ok. Yes, he’s made a few errors but he’s done ok overall.'"
He's made 13 errors in his 4 games. Today was probably his best game and yet he still made 3 errors, two deep in our own half, one of which was unforced. What would he need to do for you to say he hasn't done OK? I hope he will bounce back (maybe after some time on loan in the Championship) but he hasn't done OK.
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| I think with Hanley we’re seeing the real impact of not having academy games for 12months and then being asked to play SL. He will - IMHO - come good but Lam needs to leave him out and send him out on loan to get some good game time. Leigh wouldn’t be a bad place to go, nor would York.
The more he keeps getting played and making errors the more chance of him fading into the background when his clear talent deserves so much more.
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| Quote: nidger "Wow the critism of Tony Clubb tonight is deafening, played 50 odd minutes, scored a try all in all a good first hit out, enough to make the 17 next week?'"
Possibly his best game in about 3 years and I'd gove him no more than a 6/10
50 or so mins (which to be fair is around 3 x times his normal.contribution)
About 8 hit ups (which about 2 were in his own 20 when coming out of trouble) and again about double his normal contribution
About a dozen tackles, id guess maybe half were 3rd man in,
Usual late hit giving away a penalty
And the first 10mins he was on he passed the ball the first 3 times he had it (he must have thought he was cuthbertson).
All against a championship team that were struggling with players out
Let's not make out it was some kind of herculean performance, he was alright, and if he did that 90% of the time against SL opposition I wouldn't call him out for the BFUT he is.
As it is he provides that type of contribution once a season of were lucky.
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| Quote: Jukesays "Possibly his best game in about 3 years and I'd gove him no more than a 6/10
50 or so mins (which to be fair is around 3 x times his normal.contribution)
About 8 hit ups (which about 2 were in his own 20 when coming out of trouble) and again about double his normal contribution
About a dozen tackles, id guess maybe half were 3rd man in,
Usual late hit giving away a penalty
And the first 10mins he was on he passed the ball the first 3 times he had it (he must have thought he was cuthbertson).
All against a championship team that were struggling with players out
Let's not make out it was some kind of herculean performance, he was alright, and if he did that 90% of the time against SL opposition I wouldn't call him out for the BFUT he is.
As it is he provides that type of contribution once a season of were lucky.'"
The master at hitting the halfback after the pass or kick, 10 minute Tony is still useless
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