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Quote: cadoo "Yes I would. Two players who are playing out of position and against Saints were still two of our better players. So I would like to see what they can do in their natural positions.

Thomas Leuluai played against Saints like a hooker. Instead of running out wide he took them on up the middle and caused them all sorts of problems. Just take a break he made in the first half as an example, jinking his way through the middle of the Saints pack and if he had seen Phelps on his inside we would have scored. New Zealand recognised that Leuluai was a much better player at hooker than at scrum half and from when they made that change we saw a different Leuluai and a different New Zealand team. The same applies to Wigan.

Cameron Phelps showed characteristics of a stand off on Thursday which incidentally is where the Aussies really rate him. He took the pressure of Leuluai/Tomkins with his kicks which were far more accurate and precise than Leuluai's or Tomkins in the first half. Our tactics were to kick early in the tackle count which is fine but we weren't making enough ground when we were kicking for touch. With Phelps we did and had Saints on the back foot. He also showed good support play last night which we don't have with Richards and linked up in attack a lot more. His bullet pass for Ainscough to score was fantastic and highlighted to me that this lad would/is a damn good stand off. He also made some cracking offloads in the first half on his kick returns, spinning in the tackle and allowing us to make breaks and confuse the Saints defence. Okay he was hit and miss fielding high kicks - the one which led to Pryce's try but that again further highlights to me why he is more suited to six rather than centre, fullback or wing. Yes he can play all them positions but IMO he is better at six. Also moving Phelps to six will allow Tomkins to play in his preferred position at scrum half. We would see a much better Sam Tomkins if he was played at scrum half.'"


you are spot on with this.

I would be tempted to put sam at 7 and phelps at 6 with tommy starting on the bench and taking the field after 20 mins. The difficulty here is that tommy could play the full 80 at 9 meaning riddell is surplus especially given that riddell doesnt play like an impact hooker. His style is that of a first 20 mins starting hooker

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Whatever happened to Billy McGinty's pineapple? "unless you hit it directly at Paul Wellens, it's several minutes before he'll arrive at the ball." Saddened "I'm done. Brown out. If LMS, Turner or Walker get in any match day squad i will not be attending from now on in." LFC Saint:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_41943.jpg



I am baffled with this Hock story as some people claim he is in France.

If some of our fans are spreading crap about our best ( and local) lads I am disgusted.

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Quote: EastStandFaithful "I am baffled with this Hock story as some people claim he is in France.

If some of our fans are spreading crap about our best ( and local) lads I am disgusted.'"


It's best to ignore these stories, I find. Gaz is an easy lad to spread rumours about, because almost anything can be believed.

According to the rumourists, he wasn't playing last Thursday - as he'd supposedly 'disappeared'.

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Quote: Cruncher "It's best to ignore these stories, I find. Gaz is an easy lad to spread rumours about, because almost anything can be believed.

According to the rumourists, he wasn't playing last Thursday - as he'd supposedly 'disappeared'.'"


icon_lol.gif Really? That's a great rumour!

Will be interesting to see if he turns out - you'd assume that the club ask for the passports at least the week before so I'd be surprised if he didn't run out onto the pitch, injuries aside.

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Quote: EastStandFaithful "I am baffled with this Hock story as some people claim he is in France.

If some of our fans are spreading crap about our best ( and local) lads I am disgusted.'"


who are you getting disgusted with??? gaz hock is in wigan. not a 100% about the passport story but he is not injured apparently. just spoke to one of the players he is not there. RIGHT??? get it now???

also carmont injured not playing. phelps doubtfull will see tomorrow if he passes a late fitness test and richards 90% sure he is playing after training today. people who know sod all should be quiet!!!

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Whatever happened to Billy McGinty's pineapple? "unless you hit it directly at Paul Wellens, it's several minutes before he'll arrive at the ball." Saddened "I'm done. Brown out. If LMS, Turner or Walker get in any match day squad i will not be attending from now on in." LFC Saint:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_41943.jpg



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Quote: clifford "who are you getting disgusted with??? gaz hock is in wigan. not a 100% about the passport story but he is not injured apparently. just spoke to one of the players he is not there. RIGHT??? get it now???

also carmont injured not playing. phelps doubtfull will see tomorrow if he passes a late fitness test and richards 90% sure he is playing after training today. people who know sod all should be quiet!!!'"


dont mean to sound offensive but i am only passing on what i have been told , also there is quite a lot of stuff on facebook about it (depending on who your mates with icon_wink.gif ) believe me i would like nothing more than for hock to be in the starting line up tomorrow. great player . hope the passport thing is just a rumour though. I dont get told too much!! just team news . maybe its all a big wind up but thats what i was told and nothing else.

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Quote: clifford "Hock not got on plane - not got a passport. icon_surprised.gifops:

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Quote: clifford "who are you getting disgusted with??? gaz hock is in wigan. not a 100% about the passport story but he is not injured apparently. just spoke to one of the players he is not there. RIGHT??? get it now???

also carmont injured not playing. phelps doubtfull will see tomorrow if he passes a late fitness test and richards 90% sure he is playing after training today. people who know sod all should be quiet!!!'"


You were spot on with the team for St.helens so your gaining some credibility in what you say.

Carmont not playing I might have expected. Brilliant news about Pat if he can play or is even close to playing after the rumour about him being injured for 4-6 weeks.

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Quote: cadoo "You were spot on with the team for St.helens so your gaining some credibility in what you say.

Carmont not playing I might have expected. Brilliant news about Pat if he can play or is even close to playing after the rumour about him being injured for 4-6 weeks.'"


pryce playing if phelps not icon_eek.gif and coley and fielden starting.

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After recent performances he would be lucky to make the bench if anyone other than Noble were coach

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