you know how to make your self look like a negative person don't you. Not 3 weeks ago you was saying a player told you nobody was happy at Wigan and they were all looking to leave and now your trying to tell people that joel isn't a star signing, what are your thoughts on Ryan Hoffman? because when Joel was in the 2nd row he was just as good if not better.

Completely agree, if he hits his 2010 form there isn't a 2nd rower in SL I'd swap him for.

He's got an agenda with IL, his last username was probably RHJ.

interesting that Joel is actually fit and in full contact training now but they are going to put him through a mini preseason for 6 weeks. Hope he can get back into 2010 shape if anything he should be bigger, probably needs to put about 5kg of muscle on.

Based on what? Still bigger than Farrell and Bateman no doubt.

to get back to the point when he was at his peak physical condition in 2010, i remember one match he had to swap shirts and the guy was a monster. he looks a little undersized at the moment its no criticism of him but for him to get back to that kind of form he looks like he needs to bulk up and it seems he agrees along with Wane and Bitcon

Give over. If he gets his 2010 form back (I will use that qualification because you never know but fingers crossed) he will be one of the best back rowers in the game.

His defence was as good as Hansen's who everyone knows I rate highly and he didn't "occasionally" break the line, he did it quite often and ran great lines.

If he gets that form back a back row of Faz, Joel and Lockers with Bateman on the bench (or whatever permutation of that you like) is a great back row.

Where did you get thet from? On Joel's, interview on Wigan TV he said he has 6 weeks of rehab left after a routine back operation.

He said he was back in to full contact training as of yesterday and in the pit (wrestling), and that he is going to have a mini preseason for the next 6 weeks. 6 weeks of rehab would not include wrestling and preseason style work outs.

It is on the newest interview.

Target return 1st August Salford...

Expects to put on a couple of Kilos over the next few weeks...

Ditto, I'm going on holiday on the 2nd!

Build him up for the head to head with Hock.

stats please Bilko, did Joel "often" break a tackle or the line?

His Super League stats that season were:

13 Tries
7 Try Assists
64 Tackle Busts
2577 Metres
6.4 Avg. Meters Per Carry
9 Clean Breaks
26 Errors
45 Offloads
33 Penalties
749 Tackles
41 Missed Tackles (5.5%)

Compared to Hoffman in 2011:

10 Tries
5 Try Assists
2415 Metres
6.8 Avg. Meters Per Carry
13 Clean Breaks
27 Errors
30 Offloads
23 Penalties
645 Tackles
31 Missed Tackles (4.8%)

(JT played 2 games more)