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| Quote: thepriestman85 "You wish u had a player half as talented as Pryce in your squad. Maybe then you wouldn't be the SL whipping boys! '"
We were offered him, as were other clubs, and we turned him down so no we dont wish that. If we wanted him we'd have took him.
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| Quote: cherrydevil "We were offered him, as were other clubs, and we turned him down so no we dont wish that. If we wanted him we'd have took him.'"
Nice spin there when in fact he turned you down.
Right decision for the guy as well. He's now playing for the top team in the country & is getting ready for a massive game the likes of which Salford players dream of moving to big clubs so they can play in.
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "Nice spin there when in fact he turned you down.'"
Yeah right believe that if it makes you feel better. Do you really think that he would rather play in the u20s against a bunch of teenagers than play in SL. I suppose you believe he turned Cas down too
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| Quote: cherrydevil "Yeah right believe that if it makes you feel better. Do you really think that he would rather play in the u20s against a bunch of teenagers than play in SL. I suppose you believe he turned Cas down too
He turned Salford + Cas down...
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| Quote: cherrydevil "Yeah right believe that if it makes you feel better. Do you really think that he would rather play in the u20s against a bunch of teenagers than play in SL. I suppose you believe he turned Cas down too
Salford and Cas are hardly a step up. What career benefits is there at Cas or Salford?
He obviously weighed up his options and decided like most rational people would that he'd be better off in the long run at Wigan.
Like I said it was obviously the right option.
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| Quote: jonh "How many have Goulding and Ainscough leaked down their respective wings compared to Pryce?
There is more to life than scoring tries even if ignorant posters like you do not realise it.'"
What a very simple, and completely wrong, use of statistics. Do you realise that just because a try is scored on one side of the pitch it doesnt neccessarily make it that wingers fault? Likewise if few tries are scored on the other side it doesnt necessarily mean it is because of great wing defence. It also completely ignores things like which side is attacked more, the players inside the winger, the opposition players on the particular side etc. In short it proves very little and coaches certainly dont look at it in this way.
I agree there is much more to life than scoring tries but so far in the case of Pryce it doesnt seem that way as his work rate is poor and he doesnt make many yards in attack. His defence hasnt really been tested yet but he was at fault for a try against Huddersfield so he is hardly mistake free in that depatment either.
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "Salford and Cas are hardly a step up. What career benefits is there at Cas or Salford?
He obviously weighed up his options and decided like most rational people would that he'd be better off in the long run at Wigan.
Like I said it was obviously the right option.'"
I am talking about on loan. He was offered to all clubs in SL and not a single club wanted him. I dont really see how getting SL experience is worse than playing against teenagers in a u20s competition. It has hardly done any of your other players any harm that you have sent on loan.
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| Quote: cherrydevil "What a very simple, and completely wrong, use of statistics. Do you realise that just because a try is scored on one side of the pitch it doesnt neccessarily make it that wingers fault? Likewise if few tries are scored on the other side it doesnt necessarily mean it is because of great wing defence. It also completely ignores things like which side is attacked more, the players inside the winger, the opposition players on the particular side etc. In short it proves very little and coaches certainly dont look at it in this way.
I agree there is much more to life than scoring tries but so far in the case of Pryce it doesnt seem that way as his work rate is poor and he doesnt make many yards in attack. His defence hasnt really been tested yet but he was at fault for a try against Huddersfield so he is hardly mistake free in that depatment either.'"
That's actually one of the most sensible posts on here! Goulding has been criticised because tries occur on his side of the field regardless of where, how, or why they are actually scored. Pryce hasn't really been tested defensively.
I'd also guarantee that had Pryce been playing on the right hand side the tries conceded would probably be blamed on him too. Maybe it's just too easy to think that if a try is scored by a winger then it's automatically the opposite wingers fault.
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| Quote: thepriestman85 "And if they don't then we smash into Kirke's knee at every opportunity possible.
I think bluey has either played a very smart move or showed all his cards.'"
Why has Bluey showed all his cards?
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| Quote: cherrydevil "What a very simple, and completely wrong, use of statistics. Do you realise that just because a try is scored on one side of the pitch it doesnt neccessarily make it that wingers fault? Likewise if few tries are scored on the other side it doesnt necessarily mean it is because of great wing defence. It also completely ignores things like which side is attacked more, the players inside the winger, the opposition players on the particular side etc. In short it proves very little and coaches certainly dont look at it in this way.
I agree there is much more to life than scoring tries but so far in the case of Pryce it doesnt seem that way as his work rate is poor and he doesnt make many yards in attack. His defence hasnt really been tested yet but he was at fault for a try against Huddersfield so he is hardly mistake free in that depatment either.'"
The problem is though Goulding has been badly caught out of position on several occasions of late and that is why he is to be blamed for allowing in tries. It has nothing to do with statistics but much to do with what has/is happening on the pitch.
Its interesting to note that you pick up on the fact teams may not attack down Pryce's side as much as they have Gouldings, I wonder why that is? Surely just a simple coincidence........a coach would never ask his players to attack the weaker side now would he? Thats just crazy!
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| Quote: jonh "The problem is though Goulding has been badly caught out of position on several occasions of late and that is why he is to be blamed for allowing in tries. It has nothing to do with statistics but much to do with what has/is happening on the pitch.
Its interesting to note that you pick up on the fact teams may not attack down Pryce's side as much as they have Gouldings, I wonder why that is? Surely just a simple coincidence........a coach would never ask his players to attack the weaker side now would he? Thats just crazy!'"
Great post. I agree totally.
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| Quote: jonh "The problem is though Goulding has been badly caught out of position on several occasions of late and that is why he is to be blamed for allowing in tries. It has nothing to do with statistics but much to do with what has/is happening on the pitch.
Its interesting to note that you pick up on the fact teams may not attack down Pryce's side as much as they have Gouldings, I wonder why that is? Surely just a simple coincidence........a coach would never ask his players to attack the weaker side now would he? Thats just crazy!'"
Didnt you know though, when it all comes down for it Goulding will always be better than Pryce because he is from Wigan and Pryce isnt.
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| Quote: Mother Feka "Didnt you know though, when it all comes down for it Goulding will always be better than Pryce because he is from Wigan and Pryce isnt.'"
In that case Jimmy Hornby must have been better than Stuart Wright and Kevin O'Loughlin better than Billy Boston if you get my drift.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "In that case Jimmy Hornby must have been better than Stuart Wright and Kevin O'Loughlin better than Billy Boston if you get my drift.'"
Ainscough better than Roberts ... Oh wait some people actually thought that last year
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| Quote: jonh "The problem is though Goulding has been badly caught out of position on several occasions of late and that is why he is to be blamed for allowing in tries. It has nothing to do with statistics but much to do with what has/is happening on the pitch.
Its interesting to note that you pick up on the fact teams may not attack down Pryce's side as much as they have Gouldings, I wonder why that is? Surely just a simple coincidence........a coach would never ask his players to attack the weaker side now would he? Thats just crazy!'"
It doesnt seem that way on the games I have seen. It seems like he was badly outnumbered and wasnt at fault anywhere near as much as you are trying to make out, unless of course you think that Pryce will always stop overlaps. If Goulding was as bad as you are trying to make out then he would have been dropped by now. Wasnt Ainscough dropped after one game for these reasons? Havent other Wigan players been dropped because of poor defence? Seeing as he hasnt I guess your coach disagrees with you and your view of what has happened. I have to say though you do seem a little biased in all of this and seem to be seeing just what you want to see. Pryce wouldnt be one of your favourite players by any chance
Again you seem to totally misuse statistics to try and back up what you say. Most teams always attack far more down the left than the right and this has always been the case, I am sure that Wigan do and this has been shown in Pryce's tries. This is simply because most players are more comfortable passing that way and as a result a teams better centre and winger tend to be on this left side. As a result a right sided centre/wing partnership has to face much more. Is a side that lets in 3 tries in 20 attacks really worse than one which lets in 1 in 4? Also hasnt Marsh made his debut on that side and played in a couple of games and so was he being targeting, which is quite sensible thing to do? Wasnt Tomkins (a right sided second row) sin binned agaisnt Huddersfield which left that side exposed for tries? It is no where near as simple as you are trying to make out. I dont really see why you are trying to knock other Wigan players as a means of justifying Pryce. If his play was as good as you are trying to make out then there would be no need.
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