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| Quote: Phuzzy "And, in the same way, I was commenting on your post in which you also use territory as a marker of your dominance despite you being behind on the scoreboard. You can't expect to answer posts in isolation with no comeback. If you say something, I'm allowed to respond regardless of whose post you're answering.
In truth, my post wasn't aimed so much at you alone but to Stu who has repeatedly ploughed this furrow on this very thread, and also FTV who uses it on a regular basis too. It's a generalism so, for that, I'll happily apologise for quoting your post.'"
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| Quote: NickyKiss "The styles of the two sides currently makes for an intriguing match up. Saints will always dominate territory IMO because of how they play in getting off the line and trying to pin you down at your end. There aren’t many team that can try and play to a plan that we can and that’s to not panic, try to soak it up and be confident that at some point we can trouble them with our pace, as the intensity drops a touch. The issue we face with Saints though is that intensity never drops significantly and they seem to lift it and have a 2nd/3rd wind as the game goes on. Where we’ve hurt ourselves badly in games against them is adding to that pressure they apply by keep making basic errors, down at our end of the field. Clean those up and we’ll be a far better chance in future games against them.
Ultimately they’re still favourites at the moment because like it or not, they’re the better side. It’s not tough or embarrassing to admit that, I just think it’s a fact. We’re getting there but there is still work to do yet. I’m chuffed we’ve closed the gap as much as we have because we’re probably a year in front of where I thought/hoped we’d be. To think back to last season, I wouldn’t have believed you had you said we’d have a cup win in the bag, beating Saints in the process and would be sat 2nd in the table (even after basically giving up a couple of losses for the Cup win).'"
And this is why you are the most sensible poster on here (Wigan fans I mean  ) |
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| Quote: Stu M "Ok thanks for the education. However as an educated man (qualifications can be provided on request) I do know what toothless means.
The point I am making is that we only nilled them in your eyes because they were toothless. Heaven forbid it was due to our desire and outstanding defence. We made 4 or 5 try saving last ditch tackles for Gods sake so its hardly like they didn't break the line or stretch us. Hopoate injured himself for the first one and then Welsby and Lomax were responsible for the others. I thought you watched the game?
Secondly how am I belittling anything? Go through all my posts and you will see that I consistently say the gap is closing, Peet is doing a great job and you have great strike. So perhaps you need education on what "belittling" means. Do I think we are better than you? 100%. I'd go as far to say that we play you 10 times and with both teams being at full strength, we win 7/8. My opinion of course.'"
Mate, this very post belittles us! I asked if you recognised irony but maybe I should extend that to "damning with faint praise" too.
I'll also ask again; would you say "being unable to score points" is a reasonable description of toothless? If not, what is? |
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Mate, this very post belittles us! I asked if you recognised irony but maybe I should extend that to "damning with faint praise" too.
I'll also ask again; would you say "being unable to score points" is a reasonable description of toothless? If not, what is?'"
Going around in circles. I'll ask you again, is the fact that they were unable to score points not a reasonable description of our outstanding defence? If not, what is? |
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| Anyway its nice to debate/argue with fans of your biggest rivals. You should be thankful to me and TYG. This thread has had over 40 posts just this morning. |
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Mate, this very post belittles us! I asked if you recognised irony but maybe I should extend that to "damning with faint praise" too.
I'll also ask again; would you say "being unable to score points" is a reasonable description of toothless? If not, what is?'"
How is admitting you are closing the gap, the coach doing a great job and you being able to score from anywhere belittling?? |
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This is a proper my dad’s bigger than your dad thread. In a way it’s great because it shows we are back up there.
For me there is only one metric to determine who is the better team and that’s the league table so St Helens have that one (for now). There are things we do better, things they do better.
We are a more dynamic side with more pace and flair. St Helens are more structured, dominant and powerful side. It’s a bit weird, the tables have completely turned. We are taking over the entertainers tag and they are playing in a far more ‘Wigan’ way.
We should all agree that we are both very good sides playing completely contrasting styles. History does tend to favour the St Helens way of playing when it comes to October though.
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| Quote: Stu M "And this is why you are the most sensible poster on here (Wigan fans I mean ![]()
Because he agrees with you? Have a word Stu...
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| Quote: NickyKiss "The styles of the two sides currently makes for an intriguing match up. Saints will always dominate territory IMO because of how they play in getting off the line and trying to pin you down at your end. There aren’t many team that can try and play to a plan that we can and that’s to not panic, try to soak it up and be confident that at some point we can trouble them with our pace, as the intensity drops a touch. The issue we face with Saints though is that intensity never drops significantly and they seem to lift it and have a 2nd/3rd wind as the game goes on. Where we’ve hurt ourselves badly in games against them is adding to that pressure they apply by keep making basic errors, down at our end of the field. Clean those up and we’ll be a far better chance in future games against them.
Ultimately they’re still favourites at the moment because like it or not, they’re the better side. It’s not tough or embarrassing to admit that, I just think it’s a fact. We’re getting there but there is still work to do yet. I’m chuffed we’ve closed the gap as much as we have because we’re probably a year in front of where I thought/hoped we’d be. To think back to last season, I wouldn’t have believed you had you said we’d have a cup win in the bag, beating Saints in the process and would be sat 2nd in the table (even after basically giving up a couple of losses for the Cup win).'"
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Because he agrees with you? Have a word Stu...'"
No. See the subsequent reply from Egg Chasing. Maybe he/she needs to have a word too. |
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| Quote: Trainman "
We should all agree that we are both very good sides playing completely contrasting styles. History does tend to favour the St Helens way of playing when it comes to October though.'"
Very good point and is one of the main reasons why Leeds beat us 4 times in 07,08, 09 and 11. Invariably wet conditions and Sinfield kicking us to death, them completing their sets and piling pressure on us to come out of our own 20. |
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| Quote: Stu M "How is admitting you are closing the gap, the coach doing a great job and you being able to score from anywhere belittling?? ![]()
Because "closing the gap" implies there is a gap to be closed and that remains to be proven. As it stands, we are the ones with the trophy in the cabinet so, if any gap needs to be closed, it's you winning something to close the gap on us. Until then, any comments about "closing the gap" are condescending.
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| Quote: Stu M "No. See the subsequent reply from Egg Chasing. Maybe he/she needs to have a word too.'"
No, it's his opinion and he's entitled to it. You grading posters on whether they agree with you or not is what needs a word! Utterly condescending. |
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| Quote: Phuzzy "No, it's his opinion and he's entitled to it. You grading posters on whether they agree with you or not is what needs a word! Utterly condescending.'"
Thats not what I am doing. He's just not being swept away by cherry and white tinted glasses. There is still a gap to be closed. We've beaten you 2 out of 3 and are 4 points clear of you ergo we have won more games over the season. So does the fact that you won one particular game now mean that you are a better team?
So any team that knocks out City or Liverpool in a Cup competition are a better team? Ok. |
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| Quote: Phuzzy "Because "closing the gap" implies there is a gap to be closed and that remains to be proven. As it stands, we are the ones with the trophy in the cabinet so, if any gap needs to be closed, it's you winning something to close the gap on us. Until then, any comments about "closing the gap" are condescending.'"
Your own coach says there is and we are still the benchmark! Its absolutely laughable that you now don't think there is. |
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