You disagree with facts? Which facts exactly do you disagree with?

So basically you accept you're wrong and, as a consequence, are now changing your position to "I hope to be right sometime in the future".

There's only one person "foaming at the mouth" as you put it. I'm merely correcting your inaccuracies.

Just fior the record and for the avoidance of any doubt, you're much less intelligent than you seem to think you are. Your smugness is ill placed.

One comment that isn't fake is that most first team players were utter s**t against St Helens.

So it may be a bit of excuse-making where this particular player is concerned, assuming he actually exists.

Team were poor, but we did have 7 first team players missing. They are by far the best team in the comp and only scored one more try than us...

It's not just they only scored one more than us, it's the fact that they completely dominated us and outplayed us in every department without getting out of 2nd gear.

Take 7 players out of any team and see how they go v Saints.

I'm of the belief this game will mean zero if we get to the GF come Oct, which still currently could well happen.

Saints were missing their two best strike players, so they didn't have quite so glaring an advantage as you make it sound (and I'm not sure that George Williams on his current form is anything like so big a loss as Ben Barba, or even that Lockers is given that he only ever plays 1/3 of a game).

In addition, we missed several one-on-one tackles and knocked on numerous times early in the tackle count, which are basics for all professional players and can't be laid squarely at the door of the coach.

I don't doubt that we can give them a game when we're at full strength, but I'd question any first-teamer who sounds like he's passing the buck. We need a new coach, agreed. But that's happening. But we also need several new players, because quite a few of our current crop are deeply unimpressive.

Hopefully come Sept/Oct we see a full squad firing on all cylinders.

Tomkins
Manfredi Hankinson/Sarge Gildart Burgess
Williams Woods
Clubb Tommy Flower
Faz Bateman
Lockers
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Powell Greenwood Sutton Hamlin

Would give any team in SL a good go.

Ah, resorting to insults.

I think we know what that means.

Ta-ta love.

Doesn't hold much hope for the game of RL if a team of unorganized, badly coached want-a-way players can sit 2nd in the league looking good for a semi-final spot.

The club isn't run as badly as some people would perceive, the set-up from junior level to the first team is excellent. I fully agree that our recruitment over the last few years may be deemed a little poor, and the "old-boys" club is deemed (by IL & KR) as a failure. However, that problem can already been seen to be improving, I think recruitment this year and for next year is already looking a lot more positive. I understand most perceive Zak as a gamble but Hamlin & Sarge*, Joe G & Hank for arrivals are good starts. The departures are strategic and none of them have happened against the clubs wishes. I would imagine a few more before the end of the year.

I have no idea how to search my previous posts but I am sure someone does, I said back in January that SW and the club had agreed to another year with a view to changing the style of play and pushing for honours, a repeat of last year (in both style of play and results) was unacceptable, I also said that if things didn't change IL was not afraid to make changes. SW stepped down under his terms with the full support of IL, there was zero effort to retain him. The perceptions of both performances and targets met at the highest level of management within the club were not satisfactory, even given our better form prior to SW announcing he would step down, this is the main reason for SW leaving, he felt the club needed more investment to reach the levels the club wanted, the club clearly disagreed and insisted SW owned responsibility for recruitment in his interviews, which he did.

So whatever direction we take, be it Lammy, Shaun Edwards or Adam O'Brien or another you can be damn sure they are appointed under a huge weight of expectation. IL is not tight, far from, the money is there for the very best level of recruitment.

* Sarge - my view, a brilliant cover option for the backs. Not on the massive wage all assume and is genuinely happy to be at the club after a rough few months. Good value for money and under a new management we will likely see an improvement.

Everything I've heard from my source at the club says this is rubbish. Wane is a very technical coach, far away from the way he is perceived as an Ape in the media. It's a fake comment, made to fit someone's argument.

Don't believe you, Who is your source, Is he/she a part of the Wane lovers club?

I wish people in here would have more bottle. If you're gonna post a comment; post who it's from. After all, it's all usernames anyway.

Where are the insults? If you are referring to me pointing to your smugness that isn't an insult, merely a reasonable description of someone who posts "happy to help" (sic) on a post that is demonstrably wrong. As for the "your foaming at the mouth amuses me" comment; well if that isn't the best example of a smug comment I'd like to see a better one!

The problem with posters like you is that you're unable to enter reasonable debate because you find it impossible to accept being proven wrong and actually think that making some fatuous comment is an adequate substitute. Ta-ta love? How old are you again?

Anyhow, given you've been unable to offer actual answers to any of the points I've raised we'll take it that you've realised that you're wrong but are too childish to actually admit it. No problem. I'm sure the adults won't miss your insightful comments.

Ta-ta love!