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Quote: Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy "Unfortunately no one in cherry and white last night has what I would call a "rugby brain", only Locky seems to have it, Green had it and we desperately miss him, no more so than Farrell.

Smith should be taking control of these game but he doesn't have it in him.

Leeds were unbelieveable average last night and were there for the taking but that says more about Wigan at the moment I'm afraid.

Every single try Leeds scored was directly after an error or penalty by Wigan. The usually serial offenders (Farrell/Tomkins/Gelling) were at it again and need to be dropped.'"

I totally agree with those 3 plus Bowen and Smith but then we would be down to playing virtually an under 21 team.
It's a hard time but this is what SW and KR are paid for ie to make difficult decisions

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "I've just had this exact conversation in the pub with the rugby lads this afternoon, most of whom are wigan fans.

One of them said "he's class." I asked him in what way, what does he offer. He stared at me for a few seconds and then said "he's hard as fu**."

For me that summed up what is probably the biggest myth in rugby league. McIlorum offers nothing as a rugby player but aggression in defence. However his missed tackles probably outweigh the impact of that aggression.

With ball in hand he is nothing. No better than your average Championship hooker.

He has bought the adoration from Wigan fans with his committed and whole-hearted displays and to a certain degree I get that; but when you break things down he's just an average player who masks his lack of ability with misguided and over-rated aggression.'"

He hurts people in defence and leads us around the park well.

He's not a flashy scooting Hooker like Roby or Clark, but he's much better in defence than either.

I guess it all depends on what you want from the position. In our structure he fits in perfectly.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "But was he any good before his body change?'"


You are joking, right? Cunningham was a physical freak at age 17. I can't remember ever being so confident about the fortunes of a player after watching just 40 minutes of him play.

Rugby League players are always incredibly strong in the upper body. But Cunningham had enormous leg strength on debut. It's the reason he scored so many barge-over tries. It was like trying to stop a bull.

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Quote: Mugwump "You are joking, right? Cunningham was a physical freak at age 17. I can't remember ever being so confident about the fortunes of a player after watching just 40 minutes of him play.

Rugby League players are always incredibly strong in the upper body. But Cunningham had enormous leg strength on debut. It's the reason he scored so many barge-over tries. It was like trying to stop a bull.'"

Our you for real? At 17 he was and looked like a kid
Take off your saints specs and look at some pre and after photos.
Has KC ever been involved in any charges over the years?
Get real buddy.
Your just trying to be a smart arris but dressing it up as a RL fan with genuine and balanced comments.
Have you got a big and very powerful pack?
Anyway did KC ever have any charges?
Straight answer and no pack drill or stop behaving like Tont Blair with all sincerity mate

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "But was he any good before his body change?
I compared MM to KC before KC put about two stone almost overnight. Before that he was average but worked hard a bit similar to your description of MM.'"

Oops sorry YG have you just lost to Souths or is it Easter again? You go missing for weeks when you lose then come back pontificating. All of your decent comments are wrecked by your inability to take a straight defeat. Please continue with your comments and posts it reminds me why I should continue to support my team even when we are very very poor. Pah.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Our you for real? At 17 he was and looked like a kid

Take off your saints specs and look at some pre and after photos.
Has KC ever been involved in any charges over the years?
Get real buddy.
Your just trying to be a smart arris but dressing it up as a RL fan with genuine and balanced comments.
Have you got a big and very powerful pack?
Anyway did KC ever have any charges?
Straight answer and no pack drill or stop behaving like Tont Blair with all sincerity mate'"


What on earth is your problem? You do realise this is a message board where people come to share their opinions? If you can't handle that maybe you should try something a little more ... erm ... solitary and lower your blood pressure. You'll live longer.

As for your obsession with whatever Cunningham put on his cornflakes - why don't you ask him? I'm sure he'll be only too happy to answer your "sincere" questions. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: P-J " He's not a flashy scooting Hooker like Roby or Clark, but he's much better in defence than either.'"


Another fan stuck in the 90s labelling Roby a flashy scooting hooker.

As for MMs defence being better than Roby's. . . . .

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Quote: Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy "Unfortunately no one in cherry and white last night has what I would call a "rugby brain", only Locky seems to have it, Green had it and we desperately miss him, no more so than Farrell.

Smith should be taking control of these game but he doesn't have it in him.

Leeds were unbelieveable average last night and were there for the taking but that says more about Wigan at the moment I'm afraid.

Every single try Leeds scored was directly after an error or penalty by Wigan. The usual serial offenders (Farrell/Tomkins/Gelling) were at it again and need to be dropped.'"


Agree with all of that, there's no one in the team capable of reading the game and directing the play. When we played the ball attacking Leeds' line, nobody at 1st/2nd receiver was calling the shots. It was really poor.

Having said that, I'm not too worried for the rest of the season. The errors and indiscipline can be cut out and when they are, we'll be up there again. Can't see us lifting any silver though.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Oops sorry YG have you just lost to Souths or is it Easter again? You go missing for weeks when you lose then come back pontificating. All of your decent comments are wrecked by your inability to take a straight defeat. Please continue with your comments and posts it reminds me why I should continue to support my team even when we are very very poor. Pah.'"


I don't think you should post when you've had a drink mate. I haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

At no point did I go missing; nor have I showed any inability to take a defeat.

I genuinely don't know what your issue is with me. Let's stick to the threads instead of petty personal attacks eh?

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "I don't think you should post when you've had a drink mate. I haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

At no point did I go missing; nor have I showed any inability to take a defeat.

I genuinely don't know what your issue is with me. Let's stick to the threads instead of petty personal attacks eh?'"

After last Good Friday you went missing and after your drubbing by Souths you went missing or did you have a bit of drink after those two defeats and were incapable of posting any comments on any forum for a couple of weeks each time?
I have no problem whatsoever with anyone posting their opinions it's what these forums are all about is it not?
Nothing personal at all in fact if we ever met before or after a game I would gladly buy you beer however, knowing how it affects you I would only buy you a half icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "After last Good Friday you went missing and after your drubbing by Souths you went missing or did you have a bit of drink after those two defeats and were incapable of posting any comments on any forum for a couple of weeks each time?
I have no problem whatsoever with anyone posting their opinions it's what these forums are all about is it not?
Nothing personal at all in fact if we ever met before or after a game I would gladly buy you beer however, knowing how it affects you I would only buy you a half

You've lost it. I didn't go missing at all, I post as and when I see fit. Not sure why any Saints fans would come straight on a wigan forum to discuss a Saints v Souths match. You're obsessed pal.

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "You've lost it. I didn't go missing at all, I post as and when I see fit. Not sure why any Saints fans would come straight on a wigan forum to discuss a Saints v Souths match. You're obsessed pal.'"

Your in self denial.
I'm sure you can get treatment for it but probably not on the NHS.
Last Easter was obviously a bad time for you and the Souths drubbing caused you to stop posting on the saints forum as well.
These are not memory lapses but your brain kidding you into thinking that no one would notice even though your absence was commented on by several people.
It's not personal but just think of it as some free of charge rehab to get you started

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Your in self denial.
I'm sure you can get treatment for it but probably not on the NHS.
Last Easter was obviously a bad time for you and the Souths drubbing caused you to stop posting on the saints forum as well.
These are not memory lapses but your brain kidding you into thinking that no one would notice even though your absence was commented on by several people.
It's not personal but just think of it as some free of charge rehab to get you started'"

Give it a rest. Nobody wants to read this tripe. I'm not getting involved with any of your nonsense anymore. Stick to the thread.

Ps I've just checked. I posted on the saints forum 4 consecutive days after the Souths game.

As I said, nonsense.

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Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "Give it a rest. Nobody wants to read this tripe. I'm not getting involved with any of your nonsense anymore. Stick to the thread.

Ps I've just checked. I posted on the saints forum 4 consecutive days after the Souths game.

As I said, nonsense.'"

Mmmmmm and paranoid your rehab could take a while.
You could join me and many other wigan fans who have just joined a society to help people who are frightened of those rough tough forwards from over the hill called the SSS scaredlesssociety.
By the way could someone hold this rod for a while as I can't be fishing all day?

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