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23 - 20 - 4 Warrington led 16-2 in Saturday's Grand Final, but their joy was short-lived as Wigan roared back to win the Super League title and extend the Wire's 58-year wait to be champions:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10174.png



Quote: Burtons Forearm "What suspicions would those be?

You'll have to explain this custom in Wigan of putting a laughing face on your post. Are you so ironic and patronising that its above the rest of us that you are being funny and we need help understanding, or that your post is so desperate you have to put up laughter and applause cues?'"


You lost, get over it.

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Quote: Bal "Real shame. We will never know who should have won this game as it was so polluted by very poor decisions both ways.

The Charnley try was as bad as our offside try given a Magic weekend.'"


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Quote: Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy "Two days on and we're still getting tear stained rants. Deary me.'"



Would have been funny as a comment on the amount of time we've been wasting doing this. I fear however it is yet another 'joke' on the bitterness theme.

I don't mind the current Wigan set up. You've a good coach who over achieves with his resources. You were the best team last year but were burned out due to being over played at a high pace. The first time you rested players last year you got beat at Widnes. He got scared to do it again. Your key players were beat up and jaded last year for the key games.
I hated your Lyndsey incarnation. There must be something un fulfilling about financially bullying your way to success (Wigan W RL are not the only creation of the human psych to do/have done this)
Your incredible recent production line of academy products are being eyed/taken by others. You couldn't keep your coach and might not be able to with this one. That isn't pleasant. Does that make you bitter?

Not even a decent lemon reference and you've had years of opportunities.

It seems wit didn't care for the casino and left at the Pier?

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Quote: dubairl "Says more about your knowledge of rugby than anything else.

I usually like the Hull KR fans so i'm guessing your a one off.'"



No he's not a "one off" there's a couple of thousand just like him that side of the City!!
Being a "" (as he describes us) I had my black and white glasses on and was hoping for a Wigan win and from what I saw you DID deserve to win. The forward pass was forward, Dobsons try should have been disallowed, I honestly think Luaiki got the ball on the line.

Talking about "one man" teams, Dobson has been man of the match for HKR almost every game this season and they DONT own their ground, its rented.
Looking forward to a great Wembley game, see you all there!!! icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Burtons Forearm "Would have been funny as a comment on the amount of time we've been wasting doing this. I fear however it is yet another 'joke' on the bitterness theme.

I don't mind the current Wigan set up. You've a good coach who over achieves with his resources. You were the best team last year but were burned out due to being over played at a high pace. The first time you rested players last year you got beat at Widnes. He got scared to do it again. Your key players were beat up and jaded last year for the key games.
I hated your Lyndsey incarnation. There must be something un fulfilling about financially bullying your way to success (Wigan W RL are not the only creation of the human psych to do/have done this)
Your incredible recent production line of academy products are being eyed/taken by others. You couldn't keep your coach and might not be able to with this one. That isn't pleasant. Does that make you bitter?

Not even a decent lemon reference and you've had years of opportunities.

It seems wit didn't care for the casino and left at the Pier?'"


And just to prove my point.

I go away for the weekend and come back to eight pages of drivel, mainly by you getting more and more wound up.

The fact you haven't made a single post on any other board apart from this one since the game speaks volumes.

Let's get back on topic please.

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'Its like the jungle out there, only the strong survive and the weak get killed off and that's whats happened in Hull. They'll run to the end of the season then that's it, they'll be gone, there will be no more Hull Kingston Rovers there's no room for them.' Tim Wilby, 1997. Screw you Tim.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_46343.jpg



Just came across this thread. It got harder to read every page. Burtons Forearm please stop posting on this topic we all get your point but nobody can be bothered to argue with you. And im a rovers fan.

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ALL WIGAN SUPPORTERS MUST 1. Wigan must not win a hard fought struggle in appalling conditions, nilling the opposition and scoring 16 points, because that makes for the worst CC Final of all time. 2. Wigan must not get to the final by nilling the opposition and scoring 70 points with a display of attacking rugby because that makes for the worst CC Semi Final of all time. 3. Wigan players must not consider winning the game but devote all their efforts to entertaining neutral fans. Just like all the other teams do... 4. Wigan fans must not mention winning the CC Final, as that is arrogant. 5. Wigan fans must not mention winning the Challenge Cup 19 times, or indeed any other Trophies, as that is very arrogant indeed. 6. Wigan fans must not attend actual games. It is now compulsory to stay at home, watch on TV and moan about how low attendances at games are.:



Quote: 21-12 "You haven't "come on" under your new coach, your still awful. As your league position proves.

Secondly, can you enlighten us all on an "illegal wrestle" please? Id love to find out what this is. When was an elbow used aswell? Didnt one of your players get binned for "wrestling" Ryan Hampshire's leg??'"


More apt in UFC than in WWE, at one point I was expecting Hampshire to start tapping.

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Quote: Burtons Forearm "Wow! Brilliant. No matter how you dress it up its still the predictable and stale joke about being bitter. Is that the only comeback. Hiding behind your teams success and scoffing at other teams. As you've played such a significant part in Wigan's success I suppose you can. Me I don't see standing on a terrace eating more than your fair share of pies being that much of a contribution.

You should get together with Wigan Smear. His glib one liners are comical masterpieces. He even puts his own laughing heads on to inform you when he's being funny. Where you two the script writers for Little and Large?

When do I get my award? Do I have to wait till the end of the season or can I have it now please?

Why so smug as the current holders of nothing I don't know.

Especially for 21-12 (if he's allowed up this late) here' six hookers as good or better than McCheapshot

Roby-one of the best to play in super league period
Lunt-best hooker this season. Played significant part in Leeds' last premiership and a big reason why Huddersfield are doing so well.
Houghton-top tackler in super league-doesn't miss many unlike your man
Those three he isn't close to. He's no better than
Higham
Hodgson
Henderson
For those who mentioned Withers. Never condoned what he appeared to do. He'll be dealt with by the RFL. Unlike McCheapshot. I'll just have to get some solace from watching Paea laugh at his pathetic antics.

You put 84 and 46 on us with Tomkins. You scored 21 without him. Sorry for having an opinion.

For those who suggest I go back to my crap little club and crap ground-classy. The crap ground belongs to Rovers. We don't have to beg a tenancy and re-arrange our fixtures for a football team . We also haven't sold our clubs history and embarrassingly called ourselves Rhinos, Bulls, Giants, Sharks Prima Donas or WARRIORS.
You also used to buy all your players from saints, Bradford, widnes now you buy your players from us so we can't be that crap.

For the rest of you who have contributed funny and pertinent points good luck at Wembley and I hope Tomkins stays.'"


Oh dear did I touch a nerve?

Game, set and match and il see you next season.

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Quote: Famous "Hull KR have consistently been the niggliest and dirtiest team that Wigan have played over the last few years.'"


The problem is, Wigan (with a couple of others) are at a different level, this was down to McGuire. Your defence wins you matches, the time and effort in training to get the 3rd man in the tackle, to hold up and wrestle and put the player on their backs is invaluable, Wigan do it VERY well. The issue is, teams like my team HKR are not as good at this as Wigan, it goes without saying if we let you up you'll be under our sticks in no time, so there has to be tactics to slow you down, surely those who watch the game understand this? Wasnt long ago there was a big fuss from Sky when it was timed that Wigan from point on tackle to play the ball it was 8 seconds, thats not changed, just others have got there with them. (nothing against the rules might i add, just brilliant coaching and execution). But please dont berate teams for coming to slow you down.

Quote: Famous "It is like they know that is the only way they can compete and always try to drag Wigan down to their level, hence the penalties they give away and sin binning. '"


To be honest, not sure a team that boasts McIllorum can say much about dirtiness, i often find a dislike for Tomkins when he 'attempts' to defend someone scoring with his knees, Hock (thankfully for you, you lost that Penalty machine). The Withers thing was very out of character (not even sure he didnt try to get binned for the team warning to disappear).

Your comment re dragging down to our level, as above, that has to happen, its basic math, if your a 10, your clearly better than a 5, if the 5 can force a 7 and force the 10 to come down to a 7 they surely stand a chance? Otherwise the 10 would blow them away? Surely the smart people understand all this? Only a few seasons ago you were at the bottom of the league, you came to CP, Sam was on the bench, Noble in charge, Tim Smith took a big hit, went off, and Sam ripped us apart, Tim left and Sam became what he became, that would have happened anyways but involved us. You've been lesser than you are now and will be at some point in the future, so those who gloat fair enough, but be able to take it in a however long when someone knocks you off your perch as they say.

Quote: Famous "Indeed if the play the ball had been refereed better they would have been penalised far more last night. '"


You won the count 9-4, with a few dubious ones in that, im not neutral obviously but we have got the royal rub against the green this season, back to Morgan's days when he kicked off about Thaler to the point he got fined, not sure what it is, yes we are not the golden boys of RL, is it because there is 2 from Hull and they dont like it? Who knows, love a good theory but for some reason differing rules apply, its not the first and wont be the last unfortunately. Even Martin Sadler had said on Twitter on Friday that HKR need to get the ref's onside, why? They should be impartial.

Quote: Famous "They played well, probably to the best of their ability, but to try and make out they were completely innocent and were cheated out of a win is taking the Michael.'"


As above, not quite best but we managed to pull you into a game that more suited us, which we needed to do. When we had all those missing and young kids in and you ran 84-6 in on us, you played your game, why would we come and do that again? lol. Innocent? of course not, but please don't say you are also. Cheated? Cheated would mean done intentionally, not sure the RFL staff are clever enough for that, badly done too, but you cant say Rovers would have won if the try was not given, you could have scored another 4 in the second half, who knows, at that moment it was a bad call, which went against, hence the frustration.

The key moments...

Eden to Gleeson, wasnt forward, ill trawl the SL highlights and point on tons of Wigan passes worse if need be?
Charnley try given, if the post isnt there it hits the whitewash, isnt the rule if it doesnt give advantage? but the ball clearly hits the white line.
Charnley try dissallowed, similar try given to Yeaman at Magic...again inconsistency. Thought that was more a try.
Luaiki try dissallowed, thought that was rightly so, ball grounded and then lost, how he comes up with next tackle is quite funny.
Dobson to Eden forward pass, as above, wasnt forward.
Dobson try, clear obstruction, maybe the Charnley one was Silverwood seeing he'd missed it and gift a return? (the cynicism in me).

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Quote: CyberPieMan "However, I'm confused about Josh's try, can someone clarify please

Not sure if anyone answered this, my understanding was the new rule meant a player could touch or go through the corner flag but the ball could not touch it or it is deemed out of play. Didnt seem to match up with what Cummings said on Sky though. Seems the flag is a ok with the ball, as long as it touches the ground and not the white line, which i cant really see happening but apparently it can.

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I take it most of you on here actually went to the game- so will have missed the comment by carney (probably the ONLY non biased commentator on sky) about how KR were the most penalised team around the ruck.... That must be for a reason surely.
I thought (as Cummings did) that the ball hit the sideline and touch line simultaneously so should have been no try- would that have changed the outcome of the game? We will never know.
I was hoping for KR to nick it, But for me Wigan were the better side they looked the most composed side- KR kept panicking and despite pressure coming away with nothing through often their own mistakes (hepi-dear me lad hold onto the ball in that position with plays to come!)
Regardless of a team warning withers deserved 10 minutes - and IMO should get a ban- this argument of its no worse than..... Sounds like my primary school aged kids arguing, It was extremely cynical and blatant and needs to be punished, just because others may have got away with it if unseen by officials shouldn't mean they should ignore what they do see.

Any way good luck to both teams (except against my team obviously)

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Quote: TheGame2012 "The problem is, Wigan (with a couple of others) are at a different level, this was down to McGuire. Your defence wins you matches, the time and effort in training to get the 3rd man in the tackle, to hold up and wrestle and put the player on their backs is invaluable, Wigan do it VERY well. The issue is, teams like my team HKR are not as good at this as Wigan, it goes without saying if we let you up you'll be under our sticks in no time, so there has to be tactics to slow you down, surely those who watch the game understand this? Wasnt long ago there was a big fuss from Sky when it was timed that Wigan from point on tackle to play the ball it was 8 seconds, thats not changed, just others have got there with them. (nothing against the rules might i add, just brilliant coaching and execution). But please dont berate teams for coming to slow you down.

To be honest, not sure a team that boasts McIllorum can say much about dirtiness, i often find a dislike for Tomkins when he 'attempts' to defend someone scoring with his knees, Hock (thankfully for you, you lost that Penalty machine). The Withers thing was very out of character (not even sure he didnt try to get binned for the team warning to disappear).

Your comment re dragging down to our level, as above, that has to happen, its basic math, if your a 10, your clearly better than a 5, if the 5 can force a 7 and force the 10 to come down to a 7 they surely stand a chance? Otherwise the 10 would blow them away? Surely the smart people understand all this? Only a few seasons ago you were at the bottom of the league, you came to CP, Sam was on the bench, Noble in charge, Tim Smith took a big hit, went off, and Sam ripped us apart, Tim left and Sam became what he became, that would have happened anyways but involved us. You've been lesser than you are now and will be at some point in the future, so those who gloat fair enough, but be able to take it in a however long when someone knocks you off your perch as they say.

You won the count 9-4, with a few dubious ones in that, im not neutral obviously but we have got the royal rub against the green this season, back to Morgan's days when he kicked off about Thaler to the point he got fined, not sure what it is, yes we are not the golden boys of RL, is it because there is 2 from Hull and they dont like it? Who knows, love a good theory but for some reason differing rules apply, its not the first and wont be the last unfortunately. Even Martin Sadler had said on Twitter on Friday that HKR need to get the ref's onside, why? They should be impartial.

As above, not quite best but we managed to pull you into a game that more suited us, which we needed to do. When we had all those missing and young kids in and you ran 84-6 in on us, you played your game, why would we come and do that again? lol. Innocent? of course not, but please don't say you are also. Cheated? Cheated would mean done intentionally, not sure the RFL staff are clever enough for that, badly done too, but you cant say Rovers would have won if the try was not given, you could have scored another 4 in the second half, who knows, at that moment it was a bad call, which went against, hence the frustration.

The key moments...

Eden to Gleeson, wasnt forward, ill trawl the SL highlights and point on tons of Wigan passes worse if need be?
Charnley try given, if the post isnt there it hits the whitewash, isnt the rule if it doesnt give advantage? but the ball clearly hits the white line.
Charnley try dissallowed, similar try given to Yeaman at Magic...again inconsistency. Thought that was more a try.
Luaiki try dissallowed, thought that was rightly so, ball grounded and then lost, how he comes up with next tackle is quite funny.
Dobson to Eden forward pass, as above, wasnt forward.
Dobson try, clear obstruction, maybe the Charnley one was Silverwood seeing he'd missed it and gift a return? (the cynicism in me).'"



You're right all teams try and slow the PTB down. However you're missing the point. In the main Wigan try to get 3 in the tackle and get the man on his back to slow things down, as you rightly say there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
However what Hull KR were doing on Friday was completely different. The Wigan forwards more often than not were finding their fronts in collision this therefore entitles them to a quick PTB, Hull KR didn't want this to happen and so were messing around to slow Wigan down.

The two are completely different.

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[b:2q2mjndn]"What was it like out there Sam?"[/b:2q2mjndn] "F*cking hard mate" Queensland great Sam Backo live on telly to nine's Tim Sheridan after being named man of the match in a state of origin game in 1988.:



I wouldn't say we were lucky to win the decisions evend themselves out but i certainley share Wane's thoughs on how we went about the victory and yet again we was pretty poor on the night. It's certainly a sign of a good team but when we speak publicly about things we need to fix in training i think we should actually fix them not just talk about it, because over the past 5 or 6 games out error count has been the worst ive seen any Wigan team produce. Far too many knockon's for anybodys liking im not sure if it's productive or not highlighting players but one player who frustrates the life out of me is Matty Smith, he missed 3 important tackles and cost us 3 tries but then he kicks his socks off and pulls out a 40/20 from knowhere, his attack cant be faulted but in defence he's a liability and when it comes to the big games we cant afford to be so slack. I was very impressed with Scott Taylor and have been with a few of his recent performances he's starting to come to the fore and what a time to do it, he'd be in my wembley team, i think we struggled and the rest of the forwards were far from impressive hanson and tuson lacked any go forward but worked hard in the tackling deparment. Last but not least a great debut for young burgess nealry got the try too huge confidence booster for that young man. Next year we need a carbon copy of Sam otherwise our attacking system will need to change it doesn't work with him missing, bring on the giants!!!! icon_razz.gifRAY:

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Quote: whiston_warrior "You're right all teams try and slow the PTB down. However you're missing the point. In the main Wigan try to get 3 in the tackle and get the man on his back to slow things down, as you rightly say there is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
However what Hull KR were doing on Friday was completely different. The Wigan forwards more often than not were finding their fronts in collision this therefore entitles them to a quick PTB, Hull KR didn't want this to happen and so were messing around to slow Wigan down.

The two are completely different.'"


That was my point though. HKR are not as good at getting that 3rd man in and finding the player on their back, so what is the alternative? Take the chance of holding down and giving away a pen to slow down, surely cannot be penalised every single tackle, or allow Wigan (one of the quickest attacking sides going) to get a head of steam? Its a smart tactic in its own way, but has massive risk. Wigan do it within the rules, they hold up with 2, get a 3rd man in and turn, the reason it looks more of a penalty is because it looks lazy what HKR are doing, i guarentee the time between the 2 is the same if not longer in Wigan's book. Its the saying 'more than one way to skin a cat', in this instance Wigan do it within the rules but probably skin it better at the same time.

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