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Quote: LovesToSpooge "And I thought the discussion on who invented the flag first, was boring. Boy was I wrong!
I seem to remember from school that someone found a flag in a cave with some bloke's face on it. Turin shroud I think it was called. That must be up there with the earliest.

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This thread is going on a bit, I'm flagging.

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I have always admired Wigan, but I must say that I do fear that St Helens and Warrington are moving ahead of them with their independence as RL Clubs and with no links to football stadia.

Both these teams should be complemented, attempts to ignore their development, growth and independence is futile. I actually hope that you can get a stadium to truly call your own one day. In the meantime playing 2nd fiddle to latics has unfortunetly been accepted for too long by Wigan Rugby.

Your a proud club with a fantastic home support, your day will come. icon_cheers.gif

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Quote: Slippery Steve "I have always admired Wigan, but I must say that I do fear that St Helens and Warrington are moving ahead of them with their independence as RL Clubs and with no links to football stadia.
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Seeing as neither town are "fortunate" enough to not have a football team within the first 5? or is it more? Divisions of football then it was never really going to be an issue for either of them was it.

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Quote: Robbo "I have always admired Wigan, but I must say that I do fear that St Helens and Warrington are moving ahead of them with their independence as RL Clubs and with no links to football stadia.
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Seeing as neither town are "fortunate" enough to not have a football team within the first 5? or is it more? Divisions of football then it was never really going to be an issue for either of them was it.'"



That is correct and that certainly works in our favour, the fact that you play 2nd fiddle to a premier league club does not help Wigan Rugby League Club. I not having a go at you, don't be so defensive. Wigan RL is not only one of the biggest RL clubs in Britain, but in the world as well, Latics are a struggling premier league team. Enough said on that one.

St Helens and Warrington have had to put up with the sheds, we called Knowsley Road and Widerspool for years, Warrington have the HJ stadium which they are currently improving and we are finally moving into Langtree Park, our superb purpose made RL Stadium, with the bonus of proper terracing at each end. I am sure a lot of your fans would love to be doing the same with your own ground independent to the soccer club? or do you truly not aspire that for Wigan RL?



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Quote: Slippery Steve "
Quote: Slippery Steve "I have always admired Wigan, but I must say that I do fear that St Helens and Warrington are moving ahead of them with their independence as RL Clubs and with no links to football stadia.
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Seeing as neither town are "fortunate" enough to not have a football team within the first 5? or is it more? Divisions of football then it was never really going to be an issue for either of them was it.'"



That is correct and that certainly works in our favour, the fact that you play 2nd fiddle to a premier league club does not help Wigan Rugby League Club. I not having a go at you, don't be so defensive. Wigan RL is not only one of the biggest RL clubs in Britain, but in the world as well, Latics are a struggling premier league team. Enough said on that one.

St Helens and Warrington have had to put up with the sheds, we called Knowsley Road and Widerspool for years, Warrington have the HJ stadium which they are currently improving and we are finally moving into Langtree Park, our superb purpose made RL Stadium, with the bonus of proper terracing at each end. I am sure a lot of your fans would love to be doing the same with your own ground independent to the soccer club? or do you truly not aspire that for Wigan RL?

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Yeah, I'm so jealous that both our rivals have new grounds with insufficient capacties compared to our current level of support. Last season Wigan RL recorded attendances

Larger than Langtree Park & HJ capacities

St George - 24,268
Wire - 21,056
Stains - 24,057
Hudds - 19,169
Crusaders - 19,104


Larger than HJ Capacity

Hull FC - 15,346
Catalans - 13,134
Hull KR - 14,779
Leeds - 16,426
Salford - 13,607
Bradford - 13,940

I suggest you go away and worry how you're going to fill the damn thing. Cause the history books show that when it comes to home support (even with unprecedented success), yours is severely lacking.

Also I find it highly ironic that you've come on here crowing about how proud you are that your club are independent from wendyball when your avatar (for a RL forum) shows some scouse muppet kissing the wendyball Champions League Trophy. icon_biggrin.gifOH:

Forever in our Shadow lad. icon_wave.gif

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Quote: MattyB "
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Quote: MattyB "I have always admired Wigan, but I must say that I do fear that St Helens and Warrington are moving ahead of them with their independence as RL Clubs and with no links to football stadia.
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Seeing as neither town are "fortunate" enough to not have a football team within the first 5? or is it more? Divisions of football then it was never really going to be an issue for either of them was it.'"



That is correct and that certainly works in our favour, the fact that you play 2nd fiddle to a premier league club does not help Wigan Rugby League Club. I not having a go at you, don't be so defensive. Wigan RL is not only one of the biggest RL clubs in Britain, but in the world as well, Latics are a struggling premier league team. Enough said on that one.

St Helens and Warrington have had to put up with the sheds, we called Knowsley Road and Widerspool for years, Warrington have the HJ stadium which they are currently improving and we are finally moving into Langtree Park, our superb purpose made RL Stadium, with the bonus of proper terracing at each end. I am sure a lot of your fans would love to be doing the same with your own ground independent to the soccer club? or do you truly not aspire that for Wigan RL?

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Yeah, I'm so jealous that both our rivals have new grounds with insufficient capacties compared to our current level of support. Last season Wigan RL recorded attendances

Larger than Langtree Park & HJ capacities

St George - 24,268
Wire - 21,056
Stains - 24,057
Hudds - 19,169
Crusaders - 19,104


Larger than HJ Capacity

Hull FC - 15,346
Catalans - 13,134
Hull KR - 14,779
Leeds - 16,426
Salford - 13,607
Bradford - 13,940

I suggest you go away and worry how you're going to fill the damn thing. Cause the history books show that when it comes to home support (even with unprecedented success), yours is severely lacking.

Also I find it highly ironic that you've come on here crowing about how proud you are that your club are independent from wendyball when your avatar (for a RL forum) shows some scouse muppet kissing the wendyball Champions League Trophy.
I guess that has informed me that you have no aspirations to have your own ground, its told me that Wigan RL are quite happy to play 2nd rate to latics, I am actually surprised, but if thats an indication of the way things are at Wigan RL, then I consider myself now informed. icon_whisper.gif

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Quote: Slippery Steve "I have always admired Wigan, but I must say that I do fear that St Helens and Warrington are moving ahead of them with their independence as RL Clubs and with no links to football stadia.
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Seeing as neither town are "fortunate" enough to not have a football team within the first 5? or is it more? Divisions of football then it was never really going to be an issue for either of them was it.'"



That is correct and that certainly works in our favour, the fact that you play 2nd fiddle to a premier league club does not help Wigan Rugby League Club. I not having a go at you, don't be so defensive. Wigan RL is not only one of the biggest RL clubs in Britain, but in the world as well, Latics are a struggling premier league team. Enough said on that one.

St Helens and Warrington have had to put up with the sheds, we called Knowsley Road and Widerspool for years, Warrington have the HJ stadium which they are currently improving and we are finally moving into Langtree Park, our superb purpose made RL Stadium, with the bonus of proper terracing at each end. I am sure a lot of your fans would love to be doing the same with your own ground independent to the soccer club? or do you truly not aspire that for Wigan RL?

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Yeah, I'm so jealous that both our rivals have new grounds with insufficient capacties compared to our current level of support. Last season Wigan RL recorded attendances

Larger than Langtree Park & HJ capacities

St George - 24,268
Wire - 21,056
Stains - 24,057
Hudds - 19,169
Crusaders - 19,104


Larger than HJ Capacity

Hull FC - 15,346
Catalans - 13,134
Hull KR - 14,779
Leeds - 16,426
Salford - 13,607
Bradford - 13,940

I suggest you go away and worry how you're going to fill the damn thing. Cause the history books show that when it comes to home support (even with unprecedented success), yours is severely lacking.

Also I find it highly ironic that you've come on here crowing about how proud you are that your club are independent from wendyball when your avatar (for a RL forum) shows some scouse muppet kissing the wendyball Champions League Trophy.
I guess that has informed me that you have no aspirations to have your own ground, its told me that Wigan RL are quite happy to play 2nd rate to latics, I am actually surprised, but if thats an indication of the way things are at Wigan RL, then I consider myself now informed.
The three best Superleague grounds Wigan, Hull and Hudersfield are shared facilities. I don't know about Hull and Hudersfield but Wigan pay 10% of their gate receipts for use of the Stadium (to DW not to Wigan Athletic) so have a much reduced cost base. Saints have had to borrow money to complete the stadium, so how much interest are they paying on that loan? Saints last published losses were £1.3 million and a wage bill of approaching £4 million. That was for the season prior to the the Widnes one, so how long is it going to take to recover those losses/ loans? The last estimate I saw was 10 years.

If Latics continue to slip maybe IL will buy the DW, who knows, but it's not a major problem is it? The partnership at Central Park will produce revenues from outside the game.

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Let's hope the UK is not covered in snow and ice on the 20th January when Widnes visit, they wouldn't want that (along with the fact they decided against installing undersoil heating) to spoil the big party would they? eusa_whistle.gif

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Quote: MattyB "Let's hope the UK is not covered in snow and ice on the 20th January when Widnes visit, they wouldn't want that (along with the fact they decided against installing undersoil heating) to spoil the big party would they? Anyone know the reason why they decided against installing under soil heating?

It can't have just been the cost of installation. Because the revenue they'll lose from postponed games due to lack of under soil heating will be a far more costly in the long term.

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I suppose that considering how many games have been called off because of frozen pitches in the last , say 10 years is so small it wasnt felt that spending however many thousands of pounds on it was felt it wasnt worth it , fair enough in my opinion, , this thread is getting silly now, it sounds like a playground shouting contest " my dad is bigger than your dad" , the fact remains that both sets of fans (in the main) are happy at what they jhave , in our case, we are VERY happy at what we have got much as we loved the old place, it was long past its best , and to move into Langtree Park is magnificent, so we will agree to disagree on our respective clubs eh?

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Quote: LovesToSpooge "Let's hope the UK is not covered in snow and ice on the 20th January when Widnes visit, they wouldn't want that (along with the fact they decided against installing undersoil heating) to spoil the big party would they? icon_frustrated.gif

you have one or two poorly attended friendly games with reduced ticket prices but possibly full operating cost of the stadium ..... how can you convince any bank manager that that is a great investment........

if our boxing day game against widnes is cancelled so what we'll be playing souths at redfern oval and they dont have undersoil heating either......

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Summer Rugby.......
Saints first home game is the 10th of February. Not very summer like to me.

Postponed season friendlies isn't the problem. Postponed league games are. The possible loss of corporate supporters and decrease in ticket sales due to midweek rearranged fixtures. It probably won't happen often but from time to time it inevitably will.

I think Saints new ground looks a cracker and I'm genuinely looking forward to visiting it, I just finding it intriguing that they didn't install under soil heating.

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