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| I'm not convinced the bigger clubs can even sustainably afford higher levels of wages though Dave, not without injections of cash from board members and benefactors.
For example, I found an article this morning on the liverpooldailypost website stating that Warrington's returned accounts to companies house for 2009 showed that, despite winning silverware for the first time in 35 years, and the merchandise and ticket sales that go along with that, the club made a profit of only £28k. You can read it rlhererl
Wigan may be in a more prosperous position than Warrington financially, certainly with the SL title in the bag (I'm guessing that the SL title offers more prize money than the CC), but I would be staggered if it were to be by much. Also, relying on prize money coming in to increase your revenue allowing you to spend more on players is a recipe for future operating loss as soon as you don't have as successful a season as would be relied upon.
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| "The Warrington coach Tony Smith has called for an increase in the salary cap for Super League clubs"
Source Sky Sports Rugby League text page.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery ""The Warrington coach Tony Smith has called for an increase in the salary cap for Super League clubs"
Source Sky Sports Rugby League text page.'"
Made all the more interesting an opinion by the article I've just linked to. I'm all for increasing the level of the salary cap. But I'm also not an idiot and realise the sport and individual clubs is/are not as rich as some believe.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery ""The Warrington coach Tony Smith has called for an increase in the salary cap for Super League clubs"
Source Sky Sports Rugby League text page.'"
Course he has. He's got Simon Moran bankrolling his club
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| Clubs should only be allowed to spend what they can afford to.
That's why I believe the RFL/SL should dump the SC and replace it with a "break even rule". Bust the BER and you get points deducted.
The SC hasn't stopped clubs going broke and never will. We need something that will stop going bust.
A number of clubs should have an increase in revenue as they go into new stadiums. New stads transform a club's revenue turnover.
Whether we keep the SC or go for something better we will not stop our players going to Union as the money offered is so way in excess of any amount SL clubs can pay. We have to deal with it by other means.
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| Quote: Father Ted "Clubs should only be allowed to spend what they can afford to.
That's why I believe the RFL/SL should dump the SC and replace it with a "break even rule". Bust the BER and you get points deducted.
The SC hasn't stopped clubs going broke and never will. We need something that will stop going bust.
A number of clubs should have an increase in revenue as they go into new stadiums. New stads transform a club's revenue turnover.
Whether we keep the SC or go for something better we will not stop our players going to Union as the money offered is so way in excess of any amount SL clubs can pay. We have to deal with it by other means.'"
Maybe not but it will help.
I agree with your earlier point re the CC doing ZIP to prevent clubs from going bankrupt.
The RFL are pathetic.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery ""The Warrington coach Tony Smith has called for an increase in the salary cap for Super League clubs"
Source Sky Sports Rugby League text page.'"
He stated that last Thursday on Radio Manchester. I'm surprised it took so long to hit the press.
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| Quote: Paul Thexton "I'm not convinced the bigger clubs can even sustainably afford higher levels of wages though Dave, not without injections of cash from board members and benefactors.
For example, I found an article this morning on the liverpooldailypost website stating that Warrington's returned accounts to companies house for 2009 showed that, despite winning silverware for the first time in 35 years, and the merchandise and ticket sales that go along with that, the club made a profit of only £28k. You can read it rlhererl
Wigan may be in a more prosperous position than Warrington financially, certainly with the SL title in the bag (I'm guessing that the SL title offers more prize money than the CC), but I would be staggered if it were to be by much. Also, relying on prize money coming in to increase your revenue allowing you to spend more on players is a recipe for future operating loss as soon as you don't have as successful a season as would be relied upon.'"
I am not suggesting clubs do rely on prize money but what I have never understood is what is wrong with seeking out rich board members and benefactors. Man City in soccer can't afford their players based on mechanise and gate receipts. Everyone seems obsessed with clubs being run as a business and only getting revenue the club itself can generate. Well I don't think we are competing with a sport in RU which does that. Clubs get huge handouts from the RFU, international players have central contracts and so on. I don't think given the higher salary cap in RU anyone minds some rich benefactor making it possible for a club to spend to the cap.
At the moment it seems the only acceptable way for clubs to generate revenue is gate receipts/season tickets, sponsorship and merchandise. All these revenue streams have limits even for an RU club.
My view is we don't need to increase the salary cap that much to help stave of RU raids on players. They do not have limitless funds and won't be targeting every player in the game. What I don't see though is a desire to increase the cap as some sort of stated aim of the RFL (however you do it). They seem happy to let the clubs vote on it and for reasons previously discussed it never goes up.
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| I think that's a reasonable argument Dave. My concern about the benefactor route is that sometimes benefactors can get bored and remove their backing, it leaves the club on the verge of extinction, the fans frustrated and a squad of players essentially out of a job. And yes, I'm well aware that my own club currently has an independently wealthy man at the helm who has put a lot of money in to the club, but I would much prefer it if the club could generate it's income without relying on handouts when it gets in to trouble.
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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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| Isn't their a possibility of an increase when the next sky deal comes through. If RL gets paid what it deserves then we should be ok. I'm pretty sure we get much higher viewing figures than RU and yet don't get as much money.
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| Richard Lewis was quoted as saying that ESPN were interested in broadcasting rights last month, and that the commercial deals being negotiated and hinted at by other "broadcast partners" could result in Sky/BBC losing their exclusivity on coverage. In short, he's made positive noises, whether there's any substance to it though we'll only find out when pens get put to paper in a few months' time.
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| Quote: "They seem happy to let the clubs vote on it and for reasons previously discussed it never goes up.'"
A case of the tail wagging the dog and the SL club chairmen having too much sway over the game.
Lack of ambition maybe a strong word but many chairmen of clubs either don't have this or they use the club as a bit of play thing and in some cases see as an opportunity to strip assets of the clubs
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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| Quote: Paul Thexton "Richard Lewis was quoted as saying that ESPN were interested in broadcasting rights last month, and that the commercial deals being negotiated and hinted at by other "broadcast partners" could result in Sky/BBC losing their exclusivity on coverage. In short, he's made positive noises, whether there's any substance to it though we'll only find out when pens get put to paper in a few months' time.'"
I read that, I wouldn't mind ESPN if we got more money from it!
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| Quote: Pie minister " or they use the club as a bit of play thing '"
Exactly the reason why RL should be moving away from relying on rich benefactors, IMO. Or at least striving to, anyway. The unfortunate reality is that right now, they are also needed.
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| Quote: DaveO "I am not suggesting clubs do rely on prize money but what I have never understood is what is wrong with seeking out rich board members and benefactors. Man City in soccer can't afford their players based on mechanise and gate receipts. Everyone seems obsessed with clubs being run as a business and only getting revenue the club itself can generate. Well I don't think we are competing with a sport in RU which does that. Clubs get huge handouts from the RFU, international players have central contracts and so on. I don't think given the higher salary cap in RU anyone minds some rich benefactor making it possible for a club to spend to the cap.
At the moment it seems the only acceptable way for clubs to generate revenue is gate receipts/season tickets, sponsorship and merchandise. All these revenue streams have limits even for an RU club.
My view is we don't need to increase the salary cap that much to help stave of RU raids on players. They do not have limitless funds and won't be targeting every player in the game. What I don't see though is a desire to increase the cap as some sort of stated aim of the RFL (however you do it). They seem happy to let the clubs vote on it and for reasons previously discussed it never goes up.'"
This is a very good point, RU are not going to target every player, only a small minority actually.We have seen that Eastmond has gone i think we will increasingly see is that RL clubs will just not be able to keep the likes of Eastmond and Sam Tomkins for their whole career, the draw of the cash will be too much to resist. I would love to see Sam at wigan forever but i doubt very much that he will. He couldn't be blamed either really, it is a short career and at current salary levels there are very few Superleague players who will retire from the game with financial security.
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