Goulding is nothing special, not saying he's bad player but any pro player could have done the same job last season with the game Wigan played.
When you think of great wingers he doesn't even enter my thoughts.

On the Wellens Tomkins debate.

If i could cherry pick any player for the Wire it would be Sam Tomkins BUT at FULLBACK it's Wellens all day long for me. Wellens is a fullback whereas Tomkins is a very good player who is playing at fullback.

I agree, but I'd still rather have him over Gardner.

Yes, haha - I was just about to post that we had a Cas or Wakey fan here last year that did the same sort of thing and was made to look very, very foolish indeed.

Soliola, despite having only managed a handful of SL games last season is definitely better than Joel because he's "a kiwi international and has done it in the nrl" - yet we haven't seen enough of Lima to know whether he's better on paper than McCarthy-Scarsbrook? Give your head a wobble.

Okay rather than call you out on your idiocy, i'll actually question you on the points that I feel need clarifying:

Meli over Roberts:

Why do you feel Francis Meli is a better Winger/Fullback than Amos Roberts? Amos was a front runner for the man of steel for 1/3 of last year, his side step is amazing, he has great awareness and his ability to play either Full Back or Wing are a god send for Wigan. What do you feel Meli has that make him a better player than Amos? Now it's not that he's a Saints player and i'm biased against him, I genuinely would like to know why you feel that.

Eastmond has potential, but Farrell has already shown he is good enough for SL, plus you are comparing Eastmond to a World Cup winning Hooker/Half Back. And we're comparing Farrell to another young English forward, it's hardly the same thing, really.

And Lima...You may not watch the NRL, but I know I do, and I have seen him in pre season and literally, he's looking like he's going to take the league by storm. I'm that certain i've had money on him for Man of Steel. Regardless of what you have seen, Lima is a top class Prop and is light years ahead of LMS, having played international level for many years, whereas LMS has kind of floundered down south, and, really if we think about it, his plaudits have been because he's Southerm.

Roby is a better player now that Mickey Mac, I have no problem with this.

Graham is a World Class player who would walk into our team, again no problem here.

Soliola is a Centre, not a Second Rower, and if you're saying 'We haven't seen enough of Lima' how then can you change your judgement and say well 'Soliola has done it in the NRL'. You can have it one or the other. Joel was in the dream team last year, at Second Row, saying he is one of the top 2 second rowers in the country. He was courted by Cronulla and has recently signed a lengthy contract at Wigan. It's a toss up because, Soliola is a very good player, but so is Joel, but i'd go for Joel because he hasn't just had a year out and is younger.

Sean O'Loughlin is the best loose forward in the country, possibly even the world. He is a tackling machine, has the ball skills of even the most skillful of halfback and has been the backbone of the Wigan side for many many years. Jon Wilkin has done nothing but moan in the press about various things, showing he is a petulant player. He also looks unfit. He is not in the same league as O'Loughlin. It is almost like comparing someone say - Phil Bailey with Paul Sculthorpe. If someone from Wigan did this back in the day, he'd have been laughed out of St Helens.

Clough has More SL experience than Mossop, so probably edges this one, Mossop has ALOT of untapped potential though.

Puletula is a better player than Tuson, no problem here.

Again with Farrell, he is a future Man of Steel and England star, I can't say the same for Dixon, no matter how many SL games each have played.

If you have any sensible reply to that, i'd welcome your opinion.

Shenton>Gleeson?

Wire/Wigan. I'd split us like this.

1. Hodgson
2. Monaghan
3. Gleeson
4. King
5. Richards
6. Tomkins
7. Briers
8. Morley
9. Monaghan
10.Lima
11.Westwood
12.Tomkins
13.O'Loughlin

14.Bridge
15.Leuluai(utility value)
16.Coley
17.Wood


That'd be one hell of a team.

Gardner is shocking, Just take a look at his try scoring exploits after he stopped getting fallovers from Gidley.

How did peaking at business end go for you last season?

You must have been distraught at how the season turned out last year then.

Who's price?

Wilkin is not in Sean's league

Clough better than Mossop

Dixon's not fit to lace Farrell's boots.

At the end of the day we're Champions your not

hahahahahahahaha...............

If the above was true then I'm struggling to understand why you didn't run away with league last season.