At Senior level Wigan are in a far better position than Saints and you know it!

Of course it is.
Look at the Leeds team that has won the Grand Final for the last three years.

Then go back and look at the Leeds academy team from eight years ago.

St.helens have never dominated the sport.

Nonsense Boyo.

Saints have been in the last 5 Grand Finals.

How many finals has our youth set up been in, in contrast ?

Wigan have not reached a Grand Final in 7/8 years. How many finals has your youth set up reached in contrast ?

You have been in the last three academy finals (and lost them all) plus one U18 which you won.
Wigan have contested every academy final (at both levels) for the last three years.

It takes time for these kids to come through. (As I showed with Leeds)
The problem is that Saints will be relying on the likes of Wheeler and Foster, whereas Wigan have Tomkins, Farrell, Marsh, Charnley etc

Just look at the scores in this years U20's games if you think that you have the talent to match Wigan.

Ohhhh rightttt.....So it takes time for the youth academy to bear fruit at Wigan but at Saints it doesnt ?

Yeahhhhhh, good call.

Stop posting such utter rubbish. Arent you the guy that suggested Saints supporters were the ones posting disrespectful things on Facebook re Terry Newton ? I'd suggest you hide in your hole.

I was going to say that


Well ok, I wasn't but it pretty much sums everything up. Well done that man.

Well i shall to try to interpret it..

It means were gonna stuff a stiff one up a Scousers rectum..

Hopefully..

No.

It would be up there with my best memories as a Wigan supporter, of course we've been successful in the past but this would be much sweeter considering the long road we've travelled down since "The Great Escape" season.

All the best lads, do Wigan and more importantly yourselves proud.

PS I also want a win as Piggy has promised the fans a "Piggy Jiggy Jiggy" if we win!!

The Pies are ridiculously giddy at the moment having reached a final for a change but are getting far to ahead of themselves talking about dominaton etc.

See how the big game goes first. Lets be honest the Saints team have far far more experiance of playing on the big stage.

Again, stop being so bloody soft.

Your non-underlined comments prove there is a genuine RL fan inside you trying to get out. But the underlined bits suggest that you still need to man up and push that snidey, small-dicked troll down where he belongs.

Wigan fans are going to enjoy this weekend whatever the result. Do you know why? ... because four years ago they were down and out, a busted flush, the whipping boys for the entire game. Even if you lick us tomorrow, it's been a fabulous season for Wigan RL given that so recently they were cannon fodder for even the crappest that SL had to offer.

The clean sweep at the MOS awards was some indicator that the real intelligensia of the game - the players, not Stevo and a quango of Yorkshire journalists - feel they are going the right way.

That's a success story. If you don't like it, tough ... stay away. Just stop trying to give us the benefit of advice that we didn't ask for and don't need because, frankly, it comes from someone who, even in his dreams, hasn't even got close to some of the things we have experienced.

I'm sorry if that ended on a harsh note, but you've been an idiot quite a lot tonight, and you needed slapping down.

I'll ignore your opening defensive quotation, as seems so often with you Cruncher. I shall answer your other paragraphs in seperate paragraphs myself, as I simply cannot be bothered with quoting at this time.

Whether you like it or not, today is another GF for St Helens and we are due to win another. That is not to say we will win but after 3 losses I hope the Gods are on our side. The other points are simply answering the points made by Wiganers. I have read Wigan fans on here claiming that today is the chance for Wigan to 'emulate the greats' and that every other club hates you. They dont and that is my point.

Your second paragraph is entirely correct and I dont blame you. If I'd gone through the same thing as a Saints supporter then I would be enjoying the Grand Final as well.

The MOS awards were correct. Richards has clearly been the best player this season and Tomkins the best youngster. I do think Smith had a chance as best coach but again no arguments with MaGuire. He seems to have brought a new defensive approach to SL.

I am not giving any advice Cruncher. This is a public forum where views are entitled to be given, yours as much as mine. Cruncher, I have been a St Helens supporter since I was 5 years old and followed them since the early 1980s. I know full well what winning means to us because I watched you dominate the game, unprofessionally, for years. Lets not pretend that today means more to you than me because frankly, it doesnt.

Cruncher, the only person capable of 'slapping me down' is my wife. I played rugby in St Helens and I now play Union (blasphemy I know) in Scotland. Lets not play the internet hardman and pretend that you're some kind of gospel on the game when your posts clearly show that you are far from it.

"Someone who hasn't got close to some of the things we have experienced"

Like your relegation in the early 80s and your subsequent 3,000 crowds.