Quote: giwildgo "Numerous team achievements don't necessarily make you a good player, see the likes of Bibey, Hargreaves, Mathers, etc, who have won trophies from being in the right place at the right time, rather than being the catalyst for such success. Similarly some of the games top players in RL have won very little because they happened not to play in the best side at the time - the likes of Schofield, Ward, Barrett, etc, won next to nothing in their career, but were standout players of their time.
For what its worth, I think Sinfield is a good (but not great) SL player and an exceptional leader, but I don't think he is talented enough to carry a team on his own and would not have won any of the trophies without being supported by the talents of McGuire, Burrow, Diskin, Senior, Ellis, Peacock, etc. He is the beneficiary of being in a very good side -only Saints had an equivalent depth of talent to Leeds from 2006-2009 - and I think he would appear little above average in most SL sides.
In terms of Sam - given he is only in his second season, has been voted to the Dream Team twice, won the young player of the year in 2009 and was part of the League Leaders in 2010, then I think he has made a good start to his career. Team honours will undoubtedly follow sooner or later and unless he is unfortunate with injuries, I predict that at the end of his career he will have a legacy that surpasses Sinfield due to his superior talent regardless of a positive or negative total trophy comparison.'"
While we are deciding who is great and who isnt whilst disregarding trophy hauls and awards, can I just point out that RL is a team game. Surely no player could win a competition such as Superleague or the play off series on his own whilst carrying the remaining members of the squad due to the length of such competitions.
Sinfield is a good player and an exceptional leader as you say but obviously he cant and shouldn't be responsible for all our recent sucess and any we may have in the future, he can only contribute towards it. He has been in sides winning trophies since 2004, (a 5 year period), bearing in mind cap restrictions and changes to playin rostas then surely this is not a case of being in the right place at the right time.
We can discount the Superleague dream team. Young player of the year 09 obviously down to sams individual tallent. LLS, 2010 did sam single handedly carry your squad towards it or was it a squad effort?
