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| I'd be very dissapointed to see Fielden go now just as he's found some really good, consistant form and he looks like he really belongs in this side. We've signed Lima and Hoffman to 'add' to the current pack and that means that we need guys like Coley and Fielden to stick around or else I could still see us being a prop light especially in case of injury.
As for somebody like Ennis I just can't see it and theres no way i'd want him at the expense of Fielden but if Roberts were to leave I could see the logic in it.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "I'd be very dissapointed to see Fielden go now just as he's found some really good, consistant form and he looks like he really belongs in this side. We've signed Lima and Hoffman to 'add' to the current pack and that means that we need guys like Coley and Fielden to stick around or else I could still see us being a prop light especially in case of injury.
As for somebody like Ennis I just can't see it and theres no way i'd want him at the expense of Fielden but if Roberts were to leave I could see the logic in it.'"
The hooking position is one that concerns me at the moment for 2011, given the way our team seems to be shaping up.
I am not too confident about MM and TL being able to provide the best platform form 9. I have seen nothing at the moment to suggest there is any substance to the Ennis rumour though apart from very dubious "mate down the pub talk".
I feel we can hide a weak link in certain positions but I do not think you can hide a weak link at 9, its one of if not the most important position on the pitch.
Fielden I have a massive amount of respect for and if 1 player has to make way for a 9 then I too would hope it is Amos despite his amassing early season form.
I do not buy into the Fielden has been a top notch signing etc, but I do think he has gone through the mill and was badly let down by our previous coaching teams especially regards his conditioning, which had a major impact on what probably should have been his finest years. His mental strength to continue to put the work in, in defence despite getting smashed around in attack must be huge.
If it has to be Fielden to go then I am happy though to see him leave IF we can bring in a top class 9. I do think though it would be a huge error to let both Coley and Fielden go at the same time. Of the 2 i would prefer Coley to remain, but 1 thing is certain for me that 1 at least must be at Wigan in 2011.
Although Roberts would be my first choice to make way for a 9, despite the rumours he is under contract and so assuming he does stay a team -
Tomkins
Richards
Gleeson
Carmont
Roberts
Finch
TL
Coley
top class 9
Prescott
Hoffman
Tomkins
Locky
Lima
Mossop/Farrell/O'Barrell/Tuson/Davies - with Hock to return in July to cover the prop role
MM
Hansen
If Fielden were to go I think we could more than easily run with from July onwards Lima, Coley, Hock and Presscott/Mossop as our front 4 without struggling too much prior to that
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| In an ideal world:
1. Sam Tomkins
2. Amos Roberts
3. Martin Gleeson
4. George Carmont
5. Pat Richards
6. Brett Finch
7. Thomas Leuluai
8. Stuart Fielden
9. Michael Ennis
10. Andy Coley
11. Ryan Hoffman
12. Joel Tomkins
13. Sean O'loughlin
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14. Michael McIlorum
15. Jeff Lima
16. Lee Mossop/Paul Prescott/Eamon O'carroll
17. Harrison Hansen/Liam Farrell/Chris Tuson
Then mid-season Gareth Hock returns.
Awesome team.
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| Quote: cadoo "In an ideal world
In an ideal world but I really cannot see us accommodating a top class hooker under the cap without losing a big earner like Roberts or Fielden.
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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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| Quote: cadoo "In an ideal world
I don't think that can happen but I would be prepared to lose Fielden or Carmont for a top class 9.
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| We're just going to have to trust Maguire and Wane's judgement on whether we can afford to lose Fielden without replacement.
A lot depends on Hoffman and Mossop: if one or both can bulk up sufficiently and be ready to play prop for the full season then fair enough but if not, we can't afford to let Fielden go, or else we're in no better situation than this year, and we're all aware we've been a prop short this season.
These Ennis rumours seem to have been created and spread on this thread to be honest, I just don't see a lot of truth in it. If Roberts goes then we should be looking to replace him with a hooker, if he doesn't, then Sam plays in the halves and we're going to have to run with Micky Mac and Tommy hooking, though I admit that means we'd be a lot weaker at 9 than we are this season.
Talk about off loading Carmont is a non-starter for me as well. Primarily because I don't see why we'd want to let him go? Yes, Charnley has impressed at KR but I'd be much happier for him to learn from Carmont and Gleeson for another year, combined with another loan spell possibly, and to ease him into first team experience at Wigan, and then all being well give him the number 4 jersey when Carmont's contract is up at the end of next season.
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| Isn't Goulding in front of Charnley for the 4 shirt?
Surely when Carmont goes DG would get the 4 shirt and Charnley start his first team experience at Wigan on the right wing.
I'd prefer it that way and hope it goes that way for them both.
If Gleeson is to miss the Hudds game then maybe Goulding will go to 3 and Charnley play his wingman.
Perhaps that's the delay in fixing up a further loan spell at HKR for Josh!
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| I'll ask the same question i've asked lots of times.
Assuming for a moment we have Ennis at 9.
Ennis can happily play 80 minutes.
Why do you all list McIlorum on the bench?
Or do you play Ennis for less minutes than he's perfectly capable of, just to avoid making a tough call over McIlorum's future?
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| We lose fielden were in the same boat as this year..a top prop short.
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| Quote: wigan_knight "We lose fielden were in the same boat as this year..a top prop short.'"
Agreed.
If Fielden goes we need to replace him. It's a shame Langley has resigned for the Bull's, he'd have been a great replacement for Stu.
Just for the record I don't think he will leave us. Having watched his interview after the Leeds game and the way he spoke about the club he seemed to be really enjoying it.
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| Quote: Father Ted "Isn't Goulding in front of Charnley for the 4 shirt?
Surely when Carmont goes DG would get the 4 shirt and Charnley start his first team experience at Wigan on the right wing.
I'd prefer it that way and hope it goes that way for them both.
If Gleeson is to miss the Hudds game then maybe Goulding will go to 3 and Charnley play his wingman.
Perhaps that's the delay in fixing up a further loan spell at HKR for Josh!'"
It's a difficult one. I'm not convinved Goulding will make it as a top class centre in all honesty. I suppose it's going to take Super League game time on the wing to find out, but that's a risk for us.
Quote: Father Ted "I'll ask the same question i've asked lots of times.
Assuming for a moment we have Ennis at 9.
Ennis can happily play 80 minutes.
Why do you all list McIlorum on the bench?
Or do you play Ennis for less minutes than he's perfectly capable of, just to avoid making a tough call over McIlorum's future?'"
We won't get rid of McIlorum to accommodate Ennis in the team, that would be drastically short sighted.
McIlorum is still learning, and I don't see why he can't develop into a top class 9 in the years to come.
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Wire_91 wrote:its your first final in about 8 years and now you ravin and rantin about it F**k off, and ill be going old trafford tomoz cheering on the saints and ill be writing on this forum givin you loads of shi* when your drying you eyes and the wire fan will be here handing out the tissues in the thousands, thats if you do take that many fans cause now it looks like its your fans who have jumped on the band wagon now your in a final, this time last year there was only 1000 people in the jjb and now its fillin up cause youve won the league hahaha proper true supporters you are:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_27542.jpg |
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| Sam
Goulding
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
Finch
Tommy
Fielden
Ennis
Coley
Hoffman
Joel
O'Louglin
Hansen/Mossop
Macca
Lima
Prescott/Eamon/Davies
with Gareth Hock back half way through
I couldnt see that side losing many games next year, if we avoid injuries.
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| Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "I'll ask the same question i've asked lots of times.
Assuming for a moment we have Ennis at 9.
Ennis can happily play 80 minutes.
Why do you all list McIlorum on the bench?
Or do you play Ennis for less minutes than he's perfectly capable of, just to avoid making a tough call over McIlorum's future?'"
I've always been a fan of just having one hooker (assuming he's fit enough) to play 80 mins. The extra bench spot that creates can be crucial.
I think a lot of people are underestimating McIlorum, though, and he's certainly an 80-min player.
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For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
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| Quote: Geoff "I've always been a fan of just having one hooker (assuming he's fit enough) to play 80 mins. The extra bench spot that creates can be crucial.
I think a lot of people are underestimating McIlorum, though, and he's certainly an 80-min player.'"
The only problem with Mickey Mac (and I've been one who has always fought his corner, ask the Saints fans) is his injury record. If he can get himself fully fit he could easily be an eighty minute hooker, but I have this horrible feeling that he is never going to recover from that back problem
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| Quote: Father Ted "Isn't Goulding in front of Charnley for the 4 shirt?
Surely when Carmont goes DG would get the 4 shirt and Charnley start his first team experience at Wigan on the right wing.
I'd prefer it that way and hope it goes that way for them both.
If Gleeson is to miss the Hudds game then maybe Goulding will go to 3 and Charnley play his wingman.
Perhaps that's the delay in fixing up a further loan spell at HKR for Josh!'"
I would not be happy with Goulding in the centre, ever to be honest. It simply has not worked for him. He is going a good job on the wing and while not being an outstanding player is doing everything asked of him.
Charnley seems to be able to make the difference thus far, although lets be fair it is only very early in his career, but in truth I have yet to see Goulding perform at centre to the same standard Charnley already has at SL level.
I do not personally Goulding can be an integral part of the backline that a centre has to be in a team wanting to be top of the tree. I can however see him on the wing in a team with realistic aspirations of being the champions.
Charnley is showing real potential, and without getting carried away I believe from what I have seen of him at Sl level that there MAY be a future for him as a centre, and hence he should be used there as our first back up.
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