I sincerely doubt anyone 'needs' a fullback like Mathers.

Bollocks to Mathers, this is about Charnley and how poor he is

Quote: Mark "Doubt that, you gave us alot of money for a washed up centre and gave us a fullback that we needed. We had Bridge to take Gleeson's Warrington and England place. Great deal for us.'" That washed up is not doing to bad this season is he compared to his new super replacement. And with the way he is playing just now he could just get another England call up at the end of the year along with one or two of his team mates. Gleeson V Bridge stats www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010

Quote: Mark "Doubt that, you gave us alot of money for a washed up centre and gave us a fullback that we needed. We had Bridge to take Gleeson's Warrington and England place. Great deal for us.'" That washed up is not doing to bad this season is he compared to his new super replacement. And with the way he is playing just now he could just get another England call up at the end of the year along with one or two of his team mates. Gleeson V Bridge stats www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010

Gleeson doesn't look washed up at Wigan - obviously we must have better coaching staff who can get the best out of players.

We had the tea lady to take Mathers place so we improved in that area as well.

yawn yawn Wire troll has to derail a topic yet again that has nothing to do with Wire shock. Gleeson has been great this year and had an excellent game on Friday night, why you had to be so predictable and bring up Mathers winning something last year I have no idea because he's still a liability and will continue to do so no matter at which club he's at. If he's that great why aren't you keeping him? Gleeson is still contracted for next season. Having said that I'd be more than happy to see Charnley get a few chances next year whether its for us or continue his spell with KR, either way he has a bright future ahead of him and it will be with the Wigan club.

To be honest, only someone who doesn't understand the game would argue that Gleeson has been a poor buy for Wigan.

He had his brief brainfart moment earlier in the season, for which he paid his dues. But otherwise, he's been good to excellent in Wigan colours. He's tackled very strongly, shoring up a three-quarter line that looked suspect in defence in previous years, and his quality centre play has fitted in very well with Mike Maguires 'fast ball to the wings' style. All the lads who've appeared on the Wigan wings this year have scored pots and pots of tries, and Martin Gleeson has played a very full part in this. If the England mob want to ignore him, that's fine by me. It keeps him all the fresher for us.

When you consider that, in part-exchange, we managed to unload Richie Mathers, who has been extraordinarily poor in most of the Wire matches I've seen televised, we did an excellent bit of business. Even against Saints last weekend, when Wire gave what was generally a very good performance, I heard Mathers named at least once for a knock-on that led to a Saints try. Wire fans trying to argue that the opposite is true are either plain stupid or just trying to make the best of a bad job (and not succeeding).

A watertight post that sums up the situation perfectly.

Regards Charnley he seems to be a very exciting prospect that I feel should be loaned out next year but with a weeks recall notice should we have any injuries to our starting centres as he for me on his current showing he has earned the right to be considered as our first back up centre for 2011, and if he continues to perform has earned the right to take Georges shirt outright in 2012.

I don't think we will have a problem loaning him out. Hull KR will have him and if they won't have him, Crusaders, Salford, Cas, Wakey, Quins.... would be stupid not to take him on.

How did a "wire troll" derial it? I was praising Charnley and the club if you cared to read the initial post. As for replacing Gleeson, Charnley has been playing right centre hasn't he? It was a Wigan fan who then turned it into a dick measuring contest and started abusing Mathers. I even joked about his comedy forward rolls, he fulfilled a purpose in a position we had a need for. Would be a good idea to get your facts right first instead of having a pop for no reason.