I agree to an extent and his mistakes were frustrating at times but on his day he could be devastating and I think we miss an unpredictable forward like that. He always made things happen good or bad and the way Maguire has come in and improved players games already i'd have backed him to get more out of Hock.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure I remember IL saying that while Hock was banned from playing Wigan had retained his playing registration so once his ban has been served we have first refusal on offering him a new playing contract. Is this right or am I making things up?

I heard that last week

great punisment for druggies i see

Yea, i posted it a few week ago, he has signed a new deal, no question, just not sure how long for.

That's quite a wide estimate margin. Do you fit windows?

From what Iv been told he has all but signed a 4 year deal when he returns, taking into consideration he keeps himself fit and focused to coming back fitter and better than ever. Hes currently training harder than he ever has and is really lean. Look forward to seeing him back

With the strength in our backrow and it is long term strength, I think as I have said on many times Hock needs to be brought back as a Prop. We have an ageing frontrow and Hock is currently in the position where he has an opportunity to have the best off season ever, namely 2 years of getting into the shape of his life.

As I understand it he has/is being bulked and he continues to do so. Physically he should be in the shape of his life when he returns and have more power than we have ever seen from him in the past, considerably so. What will be lacking will be his skills and the time it takes to get up to speed on that score will affect his return.

I personally think we could have a monster on our hands when he returns and as a Prop he could stick to the basics and still be a devastating player. I feel we will retain the services of Fielden, Coley and Feka on 1 year deals at the end on 2010, and perhaps bring in an overseas Prop. When Hock returns in 2011 he could form part of a formidable pack and float between Front row and Prop then move forward permanently in 2012 to replace Fielden or Coley long term.

It may sound daft but i feel his suspension could be the best thing to happen to him regards reaching his potential. I feel he was floating along and not looking ever likely to reach his potential IF he learns his lesson I feel he could kick on to become a World Class player, that he seemed capable of once being as a junior, but in truth never looked likely pre ban.

That's an estimate of losing his salary for two years circa £130K p.a. and a reduced contract if and when he returns.

His first year is about a 3rd of what he was on and thats before he was going to get his raise at the end of that season so its quite close.

I was under the impression he could not sign for any club until his ban was up.

As to the length of any deal he may sign rumours four or five year deals are way OTT IMO because as others have posted we have no idea what sort of form he will have when he returns and for that matter we don't know how well whoever else is in the team at that time will be playing.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility he will be surplus to requirements and so for Wigan to commit to a four or five year deal [inow[/i is IMO completely stupid.

If he comes back at all for me it would be on a "pay as you play" deal for a season to see how he went. At best I'd give him a 12 month deal with options in the clubs favour for longer. But a straight four or five year deal? I can't believe IL would take such risky action.

Dave

Definatly at least 4 years if my memory serves me right on less than a 3rd he was on.