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Quote: DaveO ""]And there far more examples of players who are up to speed form day one and that is the THE most pertinent fact in this debate because that is how it should be.'"
I think that is the single biggest load of tripe you've ever posted Dave. "That is how it should be"?!?!? How arrogant a comment is that! These are human beings, not robots or computer programs! Each person is different and responds differently to different circumstances. You can't just take the example of a given person and say "all people should respond the same as that" just because it suits your argument!
THE most pertinent fact in this argument is that there are numerous examples of both situations and that is how it
IS!
Quote: DaveO "God knows where this notion came from that it was acceptable to wait a season for an experienced overseas player to settle in came from.'"
Oh, I don't know Dave....maybe it came from actually understanding that not everyone responds, acts, performs etc. the same in any given situation. It's called 'real life'. You should try it sometime!
Quote: DaveO "In any case you are being disingenuous bringing up names like Smith because he carried an injury for virtually the whole of his first season here so he had an excuse and Richards was played out of position by a poor coach and as soon as he went to the wing under Nobby he was a different player. A change of coach that did Richards good looks to me have done the same to Roberts.'"
...and you're not???? How is it reasonable to use Smith's injury as a reason for performing under par yet say Amos should have hit the ground running despite his? There is only 1 disingenous viewpoint here and it isn't mine! As for the change of coach, I completely agree.
Quote: DaveO "As to Roberts his family arrived here long before the end of the season but he didn't gain an extra yard of pace when they did. '"
No, but he certainly played better.
Quote: DaveO "It's as plain as day he looks a completely different player and IMO it's little to do with settling into living here but down to good conditioning in the off season, good tactics and a proper game plan now IMO. If that has nothing to do with it then clearly our new coach doesn't have a great deal of influence on the squad which is plainly not the case across all the players not just Roberts. '"
Now, Dave, I'm fully aware that you're an intelligent man who is more than capable of understanding that his improvement can be down to any number of factors and the fact that a new coach is one reason he has improved
does not exclude his being more settled as another reason. It's certainly not 'plain as day' as you so wrongly put it. In fact, why do you keep putting these things? You put 'everyone can see that' (or similar) further into the thread when, of course, not everyone does see it. Do you somehow think it makes your argument more valid? It doesn't.
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DaveO "Joel Tomkins looks a much improved player as well. I suppose he's been homesick for Warrington or wherever he was born these past few seasons
This really is scraping the barrell Dave...even for you! As such I won't even bother gracing it with an answer.