Noble sacked (not today, but maybe one day, just maybe...)

Quote: DaveO "Surely the Dorahay thing isn't news to you?

Dorahay came in and his methods were just so rubbish a team that had very successful methods in place just rebelled against something that was going to lead to their demise as a force in the competition.

Rubbish. Any coach who doesn't listen to the opinions of his senior pros is an idiot.

He doesn't have to act on them and the coach must retain his authority but are you seriously suggesting the players should act like sheep and do whatever they are told when it is blindingly obvious they are being told to do the wrong thing? That is what was happening under Dorahay. It's the same in any walk of life and in any job if you see things are very wrong with the way things are being run you have a responsibility to do something not meekly comply otherwise you are just as guilty as the person leading you to failure.

The Dorahay episode was an extreme case of player power but it wasn't in the slightest bit out of order IMO because Dorahay had been exposed as being totally useless.

Whether there is the same situation at Wigan now is a completely different question but back then the players prevented that team being ruined.

I also think there is also a big difference between then and now in that back then the players were acting from a position of strength and could point to their success on the field using the methods they were familiar with. They were ultimately proved right. Now while I think Noble is primarily responsible for the dross play the players are not exactly blameless either, so are not in the same position as Edwards and Hanley were and can't claim to have the same sort of moral authority.

See above but at the same time it was widely rumoured last year Noble would not listen to Barrett's suggestions. If true Noble was an idiot.

Dave'"

To my knowledge the "Dorahay thing" has yet to be confirmed. Perhaps you would like to officially confirm this?

Frankly, I don't give a monkeys how wrong, right or indifferent a coach is.

If the players have a problem, it should be communicated via the captain to the management.

To do anything else is childish and pathetic.

Thank God no people like you were around in any conflicts we have had in the last 100 years.

Though frankly if you were, then we had firing squads to stop you from causing the deaths of many more people.