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| Quote: DISA "Seriously, are you on medication or something? or is this a wind up.
No, Just an attempt to calmly express an OPINION about something that others think incorrectly is a FACT!
Do you know the rules of the game? I suggest you read them. Because if you knew them you would see that the dissallowed tries were entirely correct decisions, FACT.
Incorrect! But I think we best agree to disagree, that is what OPINIONS are all about!
It is an opinion if there is some debate as to whether the rule was broken at all. There is not debate here, unless the person debating is clueless.
You Mean Clueless in that he has a different OPINION to Yourself!
I will give you that the Kirke pass on first seeing could be open to debate and an opinion. But you only have to watch the match on telly afterwards to see that he clearly passes the ball in a backwards motion and the ball its the ground and bounces forward. In the eyes of the ref no rule was broken and therefore not dissallowed. And no doubt had he gone to the VR same decision.
In Your Opinion, Yet in the Opinion of others who like yourself have watched the game on TV afterwards the Ball came out of his hands before/on the 20 metre line and landed 1-2 mtrs in front (I agree that Donald Didn't touch it) of the 20mtr line deems this as forward/Knock on!
But I will give you that any 50/50 call is opinion. Shame you can not see that the other two calls were 100% correct, nothing near to 50/50.'"
I Didn't say they were 50/50, I said I agreed with the Ainscough one & I Disagreed with the Hock one!
IN MY OPINION! Not Fact, Just Opinion!
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I Thought that Peacock's was 50/50, It was given, we get on with it! |
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| Quote: DISA "Not that I agree with you on the lines, because I dont. But what matters is does Kirke pass the ball in a backwards motion. The answer is Yes.
Where does Kirke end up in relation to the ball?'"
Flat on his face behind where the ball lands????? |
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| Quote: Jukesays "I Didn't say they were 50/50, I said I agreed with the Ainscough one & I Disagreed with the Hock one!
IN MY OPINION! Not Fact, Just Opinion!
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I Thought that Peacock's was 50/50, It was given, we get on with it!'"
I thought that Peacocks was 50/50 at the time too. But does not the rules state that if you can not categorically see that a try was notscored legitamittly, that you give benefit of doubt? Therefore try rightfully awarded.
You are still wrong on the Hock one, and you cant admit it. It is not opinion that the ref was correct or wrong, it is FACT. Read the rules and you will see that it was correct, which makes it FACT.
Yes, you dissagreeign is opiniion, but that does not change the fact that the try was rightfully dissallowed.
And watch the Ainscough try again. |
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| Quote: DISA "I thought that Peacocks was 50/50 at the time too. But does not the rules state that if you can not categorically see that a try was notscored legitamittly, that you give benefit of doubt? Therefore try rightfully awarded.
Not Sure??? I havent read the Rule book but my understanding is that if the VR "Thinks" that in all probability a Try has been scored but the Video does not prove this then he give BOTD.
If He can't see on the Video though and He Doesn't "Think" a try has been scored he can Disallow it, He doesnt have to give it!
So my understanding of the rule is different to yours but either way I would have give Peacocks.
You are still wrong on the Hock one, and you cant admit it. It is not opinion that the ref was correct or wrong, it is FACT. Read the rules and you will see that it was correct, which makes it FACT.
So No other try as ever been given by the Video Ref were the "Underside" defender came into contact with a Dummy Runner?
I have seen numerous tries given in similar circumstances where the Defender makes no attempt to tackle the attacker but simply chooses the wrong man and makes the Lazy decision as to which runner to tackle.
If we had a rule where every time an attacking dummy runner came into contact with a defender the try was disallowed we wouldn't see half the tries we do now & Saints May never score another try again!
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I Still stand by my statement that I believe it should have been given as a try as any circumstance similar to this would be ajudicated on by the VR and His interpretation of the rule! Otherwise as I said earlier the only way he could decide what to give would be from a Rule Book And EVERY TRY would be disallowed where a dummy runner came into contact with a defender.
Yes, you dissagreeign is opiniion, but that does not change the fact that the try was rightfully dissallowed.
Dissagreeign???? 
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Kirke releases the ball before the 20 metre line. It hits the ground after the 20 metre line, therefore it's a knock on as soon as it hits the ground, it doesn't matter which way it bounces after that'"
Correct
Stevie Wonder would of spotted that |
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "I have and they didn't.
What they commented on was that Donald did not knock the ball on.
Watch again and listen.'"
Obviously with the special "Wigan" glasses they hand out. Replay after the conversion - end on - Stevo says "comes off Ainscough's fingers". You clearly see the ball passed backwards and then hit Ainscoughs hand.
Dreary me. Please, don't post any more "observations" if you can't even watch a replay accurately.  |
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| Quote: Dave Heron's Moustache "Obviously with the special "Wigan" glasses they hand out. Replay after the conversion - end on - Stevo says "comes off Ainscough's fingers". You clearly see the ball passed backwards and then hit Ainscoughs hand.
Dreary me. Please, don't post any more "observations" if you can't even watch a replay accurately. ![]()
You said it pal.
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| Quote: Dave Heron's Moustache "Obviously with the special "Wigan" glasses they hand out. Replay after the conversion - end on - Stevo says "comes off Ainscough's fingers". You clearly see the ball passed backwards and then hit Ainscoughs hand.
Dreary me. Please, don't post any more "observations" if you can't even watch a replay accurately. ![]()
I've got the delayed game on Sky Sports extra (the one that shows the coaches interviews) and there is no replay of the try after the conversion.
If the ball came off Ainscoughs hand why didn't the referee wave his hand to give another six tackles?
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "I've got the delayed game on Sky Sports extra (the one that shows the coaches interviews) and there is no replay of the try after the conversion.
If the ball came off Ainscoughs hand why didn't the referee wave his hand to give another six tackles?'"
So you have bagged me after watching an edited version of the game that doesn't even include all the replay footage? You originally asked why the Sky team made no mention of the ball hitting a Wigan players hand, I pointed out that they did, and then you decide I'm wrong even though you don't have the full televised transmission of the match. Awesome |
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| Quote: Dave Heron's Moustache "So you have bagged me after watching an edited version of the game that doesn't even include all the replay footage? You originally asked why the Sky team made no mention of the ball hitting a Wigan players hand, I pointed out that they did, and then you decide I'm wrong even though you don't have the full televised transmission of the match. Awesome ![]()
It does show the replay of the try, but before the conversion. The ball did not IMO touch Ainscoughs hand.
Why did the referee not wipe the tackles clear if Ainscough had played the ball?
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "It does show the replay of the try, but before the conversion. The ball did not IMO touch Ainscoughs hand.
Why did the referee not wipe the tackles clear if Ainscough had played the ball?'"
Maybe he ruled that the ball hit Ainscough in the process of making the tackle thus making it play on but not back to one?
To the person questioning whether the offside try just after half time would have been given without the VR I'm sure that you hear Smith shout offside when the balls kicked and then went to the VR to make sure he was correct.
The obstruction was correct IMO, O'Loughlin was in no position to receive a pass and was standing in the line with the intention of stopping the defender. I accept that Ablett probably made sure he ran into him to ensure we got the penalty but thats not the point. |
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