buy some forwards then cause he wont full fill his promise behind that pack

Well the point was 'efcrhino' said he was poor. I explained why and how he wasn't. As for our pack...It's a decent enough pack they just need to get some agression and cut out the stupid stupid stupid mistakes.

At the beginning of the second half Leeds gave us about 6 sets of six in or around their half and we knocked on 4 of those times. Got over the line twice - illegaly. Without the mistakes that spell could have brought us back in the game.

I thought he stood up really well in defence tonight. It was one area of his game that maybe some people could question but tonight he really stood up. Very impressed.

We rarely got the chance to attack Leeds (although when we did we scored which is encouraging) so it wasn't really the game for Sam Tomkins to shine. But the experience will have done him good.

My only criticism (which isn't just at Sam) is he doesn't seem to be taking any responsibility of the kicking duties. Pat Richards seems to do most of it and Thomas Leuluai will take the odd kick but I can't recall Sam ever making a kick - is this an area of his game that needs improvement? or was it simply the senior Wigan players taking some pressure off his shoulders?

He wasnt poor, just wasnt used as much as he or we would have wanted due to Leeds pack being on top for the majority of the game.

I still seen glimpses of talent from the lad, and again he looked 3x the player Tim Smith is in defence.

Hopefully he will be kept in the team for next Friday, as next Friday is defo the type of the game Sam needs to be involved in.

he wasnt allowed to function , if you had a dominant pack every week hed be fantastic, your forwards are too patchy and in and out of form too much

After watching him in the Reserves all last year I knew his defence would stand up. His technique is excellent and just what is needed for a player as slight as Sam is. Though I think him being last line of defence Vs. Kylie Leuluai is asking a bit much of him!

What i like about Tomkins is the little things for the team he does, last night we kicked into the corner and there was a pretty decent chase but when i think it was Smith ran it back in there was a pretty big gap inside, he read it and sprinted from his position next to his winger in the line behind 2 or 3 players and filled the gap and made the tackle. He doesnt read that Smiths flying down field, im sure it was Bailey Hansen and Locky he sprinted around. Doesnt sound alot but makes a massive difference.

Are you judging/rating Sam Tomkins for his age or as a first team SL player?

Open question to all before I provide feedback.

He looks like he could do to put on a bit more bulk TBH

yes lets bulk him up, coach the flair out of him and make him a robot like the rest of this bloody league

Now thats being sarcastic

Indeed.

The kid did not look out of place last night against the best team in the league (another positive is that Ainscough shone!!). Two lads performing well at the top level without being your typical Noble man mountains. Both have the talent to become match winners.....the future's bright!!

We must strengthen our front row next season, say goodbye to Bailey and Phelps and Coley and bring in that sh*thouse prop from the NRL and a top class centre to partner Ainscough.

He certainly looked "well stacked" in that dvd movie a few years back.