griffin has only transitioned to the back row as he's crap at centre.

Totally agree but just trying to be honest.
Historically many many backs tried moving to the forwards but very few successfully did it. Generally backs and forwards are just “animals”

Different animals

How many players move positions regularly? Of course there are not loads because players rarely move positions but when they do it tends to be secondrow to centres and more recently 6’s to 1’s.

You can’t change history…Isa was predominantly a centre at the start of his career. Saying he wasn’t a good one (he actually was pretty good) doesn’t make you right.

He has also been a great secondrow for Wigan.

Hurrell was signed as an impact secondrow injuries have meant it hasn’t happened as much as the club planned.

Bateman and KPP both played big minutes at centre.

There is a long list of players that have moved just read the thread. Loads of names on here.

It’s not often players move position so obviously it’s not going yo be full of examples what is being said over the years many (more than any others who tend to move positions) have done it and done it well.

Denying that is inaccurate.

Jon I can read and “loads” of names just have not been mentioned. The vast majority were over 20 years ago. Your definition of loads is questionable at the very least.
Playing “big” minutes?? What does that mean? Both Bateman and KPP at centre are ok in an emergency but never ever in a month of Sundays are they a centre.

Isa a great second row? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. He’s been a decent squad player. Full stop.

My post was about centres to SR. You keep on about two Wigan players who have played centre occasionally.
The “loads” of centres to SR at Wigan was I think 4 this millennium and included Martin Aspinwall for god’s sake.

I will ask again if “edges” are interchangeable why did we King and Wardle and not make do with Isa and KPP?
You can have your “edges” and I will stick with centres and SRs.

Sticking my pedantic head on, surely a centre should be classed as a middle

You are taking Wigan in isolation, totally ignoring other teams.

You can stick with it but the game is and has changed.

I actually prefer to see the more skilled centres you crave however we are as a sport increasingly going for athletes over skill.

You are failing to miss the point that players don’t generally change positions, however if they do then they tend to be centres to secondrow and more recently fullbacks and halves.

Isa has been a great secondrow for Wigan. If you don’t recognise that I have to question your player judgement.

Why do teams bring in any players? To improve the team.

Wardle isn’t the type of centre that could transition to secondrow but King certainly is due to his style of play (where this all started I believe).

I’m guessing that goes back to the Union terms where most of the original names would have come from where the centres generally were in the middle of the field working together as inside and outside centres rather than split like they do in league ie left and right centre.

Kind of the same with the term scrum half and stand off, since we split them to the left and right the term now seems to be more “half back” for both positions rather that scrum half and stand off.

https://viewtopic.php?f=28&t=588798

https://viewtopic.php?f=28&t=588798

Not sure why they've had to have moved there permanently to be considered. The number of centres in recent years that have also played SR and vice versa is probably only bettered by the number of halves to play FB and vice versa.

Apart from Isa how many Wigan centres have played in the SR even occasionally in the last 10 years??
It’s just a total fallacy that centres make a good SR.

Interesting read that.